Posted on 04/27/2021 5:25:46 AM PDT by Old Yeller
No. Mathew 18 21:35 is not about or a foundation for purgatory.
It is about YOU managing YOUR forgiving others as Christ would forgive you. That is its theological message. It is not a statement of “this is what “purgatory” is for or about.
“Because we all know Protestant clergy have always been pure as the driven snow.”
Protestants know nothing and believe nothing of the sort and than expression is not a protestant one.
Whether Catholic or Protestant cleric, or anyone else, all come before Christ no better or worse, and stand or fall on their own relationship with G-d and G-d’s grace, not their standing in church or society.
And the scriptural basis is????
You know the point I was making...
Condemning Catholicism because of the sins of its leaders while ignoring the log in your Protestant eye.
Spiritual birth via....WAAAAATTTTEERRRR.....
The idea that infants are not baptized because is because true baptism is baptism of the Holy Spirit in a conscience act with the penitent. That is a parallel of how although John “baptized” Jesus, it was all truly and act joined by the Holy Spirit. It was not the “water”. The water is only symbolic of the Holy spirit that flows like water throughout creation.
And, nothing implies that the infant not baptized is going to hell - NOTHING; because it is by the grace of G-d, not ANY ceremonial act that we are saved.
“Refer to the Old Testament...and to the complete Bible not the shortened version you Protestants use. Your theology is incomplete because after 1,500 years one lunatic decided to correct God and remove some of His Bible.”
Why? You cannot!
“The temporal failings of the catholic church is not because of its teachings. IMHO its teachings are the Truth and will prevail, regardless of how rotten its administrators are.”
In any and every religion, that is a cultist position - our institution is rotten but what it teaches is perfect.
that’s not from the Bible which is critical to substantiating TRUTH.
“unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
It is the “cleansing” LIKE water and the anointing of the Holy Spirit, which together - the cleansing like as if by water and the anointing of the Holy Spirit - is what Yehua referred to as “born again”. The entire thing occurs spiritually and is not dependent on any ceremony, as ceremonies are only symbolic acts of something we celebrate, not the acts themselves. Their is no magic in ceremonies.
“The Catholic Church was begun by Jesus and there is a lineage known and recorded from the beginning to this day.”
No. The Roman Catholic Church was begun by the developers of the Roman Catholic Church, not Christ. Christ’s body of believers is known to Christ and known wherever he find them.
Yehsua did not name Peter as the foundation of His Church.
Yeshua identified Peter’s answer - “the faith that you are the Christ” as the foundation of His Church. It is upon the foundation of that belief, that faith. not Peter, that the faith, the good news, is offered, and the flock is drawn in - not because of ANY human institutional “church”.
Whoever told you that Luther removed part of the Bible is a repeating a damnable lie.
1: Catholics didn’t even have an infallable canon until after Luther’s death.
2: Luther did include those books in his translation of the Bible.
Whoever taught you is either a liar or an ignoramus.
It does not provide any SCRIPTURAL basis for Purgatory.
It only provides Catholic misinterpretation and assumption that certain things in scripture must mean “purgatory” or something like, yet none of the scriptures point to it.
Being dead before Christ’s return and yet being raised by Christ after his return, nor praying for the dead, implies they are anywhere but dead-in-sleep-with G-d, and nowhere else. And THAT does not mean G-d does not hear the prayers.
“Purgatory” is like Physics “dark matter” - it must be there even though we cannot see it pointed out in scripture, so we assume certain things we do not quite understand MUST mean (some “place”) so we call it purgatory.
“Condemning Catholicism because of the sins of its leaders while ignoring the log in your Protestant eye.”
You are wrong in assuming the latter when others, myself included, perform the former. The one thing Protestants do not do is hold their clergy as infallible, nor hold any history of any protestants as without error or sin. The records speak for themselves and everyone is a sinner in G-d’s eyes.
Ah, my sweet summer child...
Protestants throw out the sinners and turn them into the authorities.
Catholics cover up the crimes and move them so they can take advantage of new victims.
Stop trying to make this a false equivalence.
But first we must start shining up now, just to make it to Purgatory.
So true.. so true.. but getting into every nook and cranny.. not easy... often painful....
but scrub we much !!
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You both sound very proud of your efforts.
Just saying.
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