Posted on 04/27/2021 5:25:46 AM PDT by Old Yeller
I’ve seen them.
The rest of this article is just the same stuff over and over again.
The verses about persevering are referring to surviving the Tribulation period, not the church age believers.
Neither never says, Once saved, always saved.
Security of the believer
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring-not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
There are many more verses if those aren't enough for you.
It's not a matter of just staining the soul. The penalty for sin is death. period.
The born again believer has been born again/born from above by the Holy Spirit with a new spiritual nature that is sinless.
When we die, the sin nature is gone for good and what remains is the new, pure spirit that the Holy Spirit gave us.
There is no sin *staining* that nature.
That's why Paul can say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. No purgatory.
Additionally, the born again believer is already positionally in heaven with Christ.
Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
A person who dies with sin on their account, goes to hell. NO matter what the sin is and no amount of suffering anywhere can cleanse it because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. Suffering is not cleansing with the blood of Jesus.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
The believer has a judicial pardon from heaven that cleans expunges his record of sin. It has been dealt with and was paid for by Jesus. It doesn't have to be paid twice swhich is what suffering in purgatory is.
Colossians 2:13-15 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
Colossians 2:16-23 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
We repented when we came to Christ.
Would you like to support your accusation with the post numbers, cultist?
Then don't preach it.
You do realize, don't you, that many of us *born againers* were raised in the Catholic church, don't you?
Besides, you can use the term with contempt all you want but be careful who you are mocking.
John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him,“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Some no doubt.
Anyone who uses this concept as a ‘technically’ to do whatever they want (ie. sin) and then get out of jail free is evil anyway, and will not have to worry about whether its real or not...
we know where they’re going.
Not punishing. Purifying.
Would you like to support your accusation with the post numbers, cultist?
I don’t need to waste my time doing that. It’s well known how you treat people on this site that you don’t agree with. Some guy mentioned it not too long ago as well and honestly was not as kind as I was. And, do I even need to list all the names you’ve called me in the time I’ve been here on FR? Yeah, you are some good Christian, aren’t you?
That’s what you preached in your post #24.
Nice job of taking metmom’s response out of context, and only copy/pasting part of it.
A general response to the idea of salvation.
In the passage that teaches us about judgment, there is a comment about some Christians. We know they are Christians because once upon a time, the Lord wrote their name in the (Lamb’s) Book of Life.
Rev 3:5 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
If the Lord has a choice to NOT BLOT out a name, then he has a choice to BLOT out that name. So Christians need to be watchful.
In addition, Hebrews 10:25 gives those whose religion is wishy-washy pause. I will let you refer to it while I give my rendition of it.
If you are a Christian and you are able, BE AT WORSHIP.
Some habitually skip worship.
They are guilty of willful sin.
There is no forgiveness for willful sin.
They stomp on the body of Jesus,
They deem the Lord’s blood to be unholy,
They despise the Holy Spirit.
Vengeance is the Lord’s, He will repay.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God.
The Lord’s view of Christianity is WAY DIFFERENT from the image projected by some of the posts on this web site. Looking at our political leaders, one would have to do some hard work to avoid the conclusion that they appear to willfully sin -— all the time.
Is this a Catholic bashing post?
Identifying what you are, a cultist, is not ‘foul mouthing you’.
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