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Bishop Barron’s guide to rediscovering Vatican II
Aleteia ^ | April 19, 2021 | Tom Hoopes

Posted on 04/19/2021 4:44:23 PM PDT by ebb tide

Bishop Barron’s guide to rediscovering Vatican II

The Church is changing the world, not the other way around — that is the message of the Second Vatican Council.

Bishop Robert Barron’s Word on Fire apostolate has just published the Vatican II Collection. It presents the council’s four key documents with commentary by popes and by Bishop Barron. 

Reading through the documents made me think that what G.K. Chesterton said about Christianity could be said about Vatican II:

The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.

As Barron puts it:

I believe that the documents of Vatican II are still widely unread, and if they are read, often misunderstood. The needful thing, I am convinced, is a robust and enthusiastic reappropriation of the texts of Vatican II.

Let’s countdown from last to first the documents he presents in the book.

4: The Church confronts the world in Gaudium et Spes (Joy and Hope).

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Bishop Barron writes that this “Constitution on the Church in the Modern World” “offers a beautiful vision of the Church going out to meet a modern world hungry for God.”

The Church doesn’t fear the world, but faces it confidently.

We don’t come hat in hand to this deeply ambiguous modern culture seeking to accommodate ourselves; rather we proclaim Christ in and to that culture.

That is certainly true of Gaudium et Spes. Early on, the document says,

Though mankind is stricken with wonder at its own discoveries and its power, it often raises anxious questions about the current trend of the world, about the place and role of man in the universe, about the meaning of its individual and collective strivings, and about the ultimate destiny of reality and of humanity.

Then it proceeds to address each of those enormous questions with language meant to be read by all of us, not theologians or specialists.

3: Meet the Vatican II Mass in  Sacrosanctum Concilum, the constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.

For most of us, if we know anything about Vatican II, we know that it changed the Mass from Latin to the current vernacular version. 

Bishop Barron is eager to present the words of Vatican II because, he says, “In the United States, over 60% of baptized Catholics regularly stay away” from Mass.

But this is not what the Vatican II fathers wanted! Turning to Sacrosanctum Concilium, we see a vision of a revitalized liturgy cultivating a vibrant Catholic culture that will draw the world to itself.

The constitution paints a picture of Mass as a reverent continuation of an ancient tradition, mostly in Latin, as the “source” and “summit” of a full Christian life that is mostly lived elsewhere. 

2: Rediscover Scripture with Dei Verbum (Word of God).

Bishop Barron explains that the council’s document on Scripture is especially important. This is because “The Bible is often the prime reason why people, especially young people, are alienated from the Christian faith.” 

Answering this, “The insights of Dei Verbum can help Catholics recover the depth and power of the Bible in the 21st century and hold off the many charges made against it.”

The Council promotes Scripture so that “by hearing the message of salvation the whole world may believe, by believing it may hope, and by hoping it may love.”

Barron’s apostolate at Word on Fire, along the rest of the Catholic scriptural renaissance, shows these words coming true.

1: The power of the Church shines in Lumen Gentium — light of the nations.

To introduce this document, Bishop Barron cites Hans urs von Balthasar, a theologian who influenced many of the Council Fathers.

“His argument, simply put, was that the Church was crouching too defensively behind its medieval walls,” he says. “Its treasures, which are meant for the world, were not being shared.”

This is the document with the stirring “universal call to holiness,” which says, “all the faithful of Christ are invited to strive for the holiness and perfection of their own proper state.”

Lay people “are called in a special way to make the Church present and operative in those places and circumstances where only through them can it become the salt of the earth.”

Seeing the deep problems in the world, God’s answer, in the documents of Vatican II, is us.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: bobbybarron; francisbishop; hellisempty; heretic; hereticbishop; vcii
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Bishop Barron is eager to present the words of Vatican II because, he says, “In the United States, over 60% of baptized Catholics regularly stay away” from Mass.

But this is not what the Vatican II fathers wanted! Turning to Sacrosanctum Concilium, we see a vision of a revitalized liturgy cultivating a vibrant Catholic culture that will draw the world to itself.

Bobby "Hell is Empty" Barron still can't figure out the New Mass is why there's lack of attendance.

1 posted on 04/19/2021 4:44:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; DuncanWaring; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; markomalley; ...

Barron Barf Alert


2 posted on 04/19/2021 4:45:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Seeing the deep problems in the world, God’s answer, in the documents of Vatican II, is us.
3 posted on 04/19/2021 4:48:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
... not what the Vatican II fathers wanted!

... start with Novus Ordo ....

4 posted on 04/19/2021 4:52:22 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: MurphsLaw
To introduce this document, Bishop Barron cites Hans urs von Balthasar, a theologian who influenced many of the Council Fathers.

The Heresies of Balthasar

A Dubious Influence: De Lubac & Von Balthasar’s Effect on Catholic Thought

5 posted on 04/19/2021 5:12:05 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Barron is a heretic


6 posted on 04/19/2021 7:03:08 PM PDT by FatherofFive (We support Trump. Not the GOP)
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To: FatherofFive; MurphsLaw
Barron is a heretic

I agree.

7 posted on 04/19/2021 7:17:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

If a traditional looking/sounding Mass is key to retaining and attracting congregants, why didn’t huge numbers drift over to the Eastern rite? I think blaming the Novus Ordo may be missing the boat. Especially when American church attendance has fallen accross the board.


8 posted on 04/19/2021 7:49:29 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
Especially when American church attendance has fallen accross the board.

It hasn't been "across the board"; it's only been in Novus Ordo Land. The Traditional Catholics and Masses are multiplying and the Masses are attracting young Catholics with large families.

9 posted on 04/19/2021 8:17:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: FatherofFive

Baloney. Barron is a powerful apologist for Christianity. Try his Sunday sermons on the Word on Fire website, His weak spot is a failure to grasp that Vatican II was in a practical sense hijacked by secularists of various stripes, and he is loath to dissent from the Church’s leadership. That’s a problem I agree; but it is not heretical and he is not some extremist lunatic.


10 posted on 04/19/2021 8:19:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative.)
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To: ebb tide
And so does that make you feel better about yourself....?
At least we’re not like ... those people”

Do you think he cares if he is called names? Or the 30 million people who listen to and benefit from his work ?

I’m sure Bishop Barron understands fully.....
+++ 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
+++

So yes...we should feel better about ourselves when we try to make others look worse....
11 posted on 04/19/2021 8:26:26 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might”)
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To: married21
That’s way too logical for some red meaters here.....
Your need to be more sufficiently triggered/
;)
12 posted on 04/19/2021 8:28:38 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might”)
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To: MurphsLaw
Or the 30 million people who listen to and benefit from his work ?

Whoop-de-doo! 81 millions suckers voted for Bergoglio's Biden.

13 posted on 04/19/2021 8:58:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw

Yep, if one digs long enough in that manure pile one will eventually find a pony in there. Heck, they’ve been digging for over 50 years, still have not found the pony. But let’s keep digging, maybe in another 50 years we will get a different result?


14 posted on 04/19/2021 9:05:29 PM PDT by blackpacific ( )
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To: MurphsLaw
Do you think he cares if he is called names?

Calling out a "catholic" bishop who rejects Holy Scripture in regards to souls in Hell as a heretic is not "calling him names".

15 posted on 04/19/2021 9:05:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw; married21
So it's true; you are a modernist who disdains the tradtional Mass.

Thanks for the confirmation. It explains a lot, especially your infatuation with Barron.

16 posted on 04/19/2021 9:11:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Roger on your comment, our church rocks. Packed to the gills every Sunday, multiple masses, full of loud children and babies, families filling entire pews, full choir singing throughout the plandemic, confession on demand before every mass and during masses, tremendous fellowshipping, wonderful talks and get togethers, all pre-1962, all pre-VCII, all under the guidance and blessing of the Holy Spirit, numerous vocations to the priesthood and religious life,.....Why the hell would anyone want to go back to that demonic quagmire of ambiguity known as Vatican Council II?
17 posted on 04/19/2021 9:27:55 PM PDT by blackpacific ( )
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To: MurphsLaw
That's way too logical for some red meaters here.....

Is "red meaters" supposed to be an insult?

If so, you goofed big time.

Many, if not most, traditional Catholics abstain from flesh meat on Fridays throughout the year; as did all Catholics prior to Barron's beloved VC II, the New Pentecost; the New Springtime, the Rebirth of the Church, et nauseum.

They also attend the same Mass, as all Catholics did, prior to VC II.

18 posted on 04/19/2021 9:30:43 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw

What type of sin is it when a cabal of evil clerics seize control of a council, fill it with modernist chaos and heresy, pollute its documents with confusion, and then claim that the Holy Spirit had a hand in all of it?

== Sin Against the Holy Spirit?

What type of sin is it when a cabal of evil clerics seize control of the papacy and put a man on the throne who is not a shepherd but a hireling, who has no care for the common good of the Church, who has lost his Faith and is intent on destroying the precepts of both the Divine and Natural Law?

== Sin Against the Holy Spirit?

What type of sin is it when the Bishop of Rome invites the devil worship of Pachamama into the Vatican and under the dome of St. Peter’s Basilica?

== Sin against the Holy Spirit?


19 posted on 04/19/2021 9:31:23 PM PDT by blackpacific ( )
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To: MurphsLaw

Would you rather me lie about Barron to protect his reputation?


20 posted on 04/19/2021 9:38:05 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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