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German Legislators Consider Ending State Payments to Churches
The Catholic Sun ^ | 4/14/21 | CNS

Posted on 04/16/2021 6:43:18 PM PDT by marshmallow

BERLIN (CNS) — Germany’s lower house of Parliament is considering replacing state payments to the nation’s two largest churches. The Catholic and Protestant churches received combined state benefits of more than $650 million in 2020.

At a hearing in the interior affairs committee of the Bundestag, or lower house of parliament, they welcomed in principle the intention of legislation by the opposition liberal Free Democratic Party, the Greens and the Left Party and pointed out that it was in line with a constitutional mandate to abolish the payments, which date back to a 19th-century provision. By contrast, a number of legal experts said an alternative bill by the Alternative for Germany party to simply phase out the benefits was unconstitutional, reported the German Catholic news agency KNA.

The bill by the three parties aims to create the necessary framework for agreements between the federal states, which currently make the payments, and the Catholic dioceses and Protestant regional churches.

Most of the state payments date back to 1803, when German imperial princes received expropriated church property as compensation for a loss of territory. In return, the princes paid the churches money on a regular basis.

The right of the churches to levy contributions, or a church tax, from their members has nothing to do with these state benefits, KNA reported.

Since 1919, the constitution has called for these benefits to be replaced. The prerequisite for this would be agreements with the churches at the federal and state level as well as corresponding laws. However, the churches would have to receive high redemption sums for this, which is why most of the federal states have so far refrained from taking the step.

According to the new draft law, the maximum amount of the replacement payments is to be based on the so-called...........

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1 posted on 04/16/2021 6:43:18 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

We visited a family in Germany around 1990. They owned a business. We were shocked to learn that Germany automatically took money from their business for the Catholic church/Vatican. I can’t remember exactly what they said. Is it because they owned a business, or is this money taken from all citizens?

I was still curious about this, and just a few months ago I tried to find information about it online, but couldn’t find anything. I’m wondering if your article is what they were talking about.


2 posted on 04/16/2021 7:00:52 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: marshmallow

Those payments should be going to mosque.


3 posted on 04/16/2021 7:04:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: toldyou

I was in Germany in 1990, and I never heard of that happening. Catholics aren’t even a third of Germans.


4 posted on 04/16/2021 7:05:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The church tax, did and still exists. Each citizen pays about $1000 per year to their chosen denomination.

You can declare you don’t have a religion and not pay, but if you do the churches will block you from a church wedding or funeral. 70% of Germans currently are signed up to pay the tax.


5 posted on 04/16/2021 7:15:57 PM PDT by Renfrew
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To: nickcarraway
The Church tax ranges from 8 to 9 percent of a taxpayer's gross income. It is collected by the state from registered church members and is paid over to the official hierarchy of the Roman Catholic, Protestant (the German goverment only recognizes one official protestant church) and Jewish churches.
6 posted on 04/16/2021 7:18:41 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: marshmallow

Probably a good thing. Governments don’t do well administering and tampering with the way churches are administered.


7 posted on 04/16/2021 7:29:40 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: toldyou

Old Hitler law they never removed. Funny how things “change”. State sponsorship and control of religion, it is, rendering unto Ceasar’s what is God’s.


8 posted on 04/16/2021 8:36:10 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hates:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: toldyou

Yep. I think it’s 4 or 6 percent they take from each paycheck. You choose which church or mosque gets your tithe...or at least they used to do it that way!


9 posted on 04/16/2021 8:48:30 PM PDT by gr8eman (Elder Non-Binary Sibling is Watching You!)
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To: Renfrew

Yes...when my father in law died the church wouldn;t pay for his funeral because he didn’t pay the “tax”!


10 posted on 04/16/2021 8:50:02 PM PDT by gr8eman (Elder Non-Binary Sibling is Watching You!)
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To: marshmallow

That would be a good thing.


11 posted on 04/16/2021 9:08:19 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Pathetic Pierre Delecto, the Pestiferous Potentate of Enchanted Chones.)
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To: nickcarraway

We (American military) lived in Germany for 3 1/2 years in the 1970’s. I never heard of it then, but I doubt if Germans talk about it unless you’re talking taxes and politics.


12 posted on 04/17/2021 5:02:18 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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