Posted on 03/31/2021 8:06:45 PM PDT by marshmallow
Moscow, March 30, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church has failed to reach an agreement on the issue of in vitro fertilization (IVF).
The period the Church was given to discuss with the public a document on softening the position of the Russian Orthodox Church on in vitro fertilization has ended on Monday. The document, posted on the official website of the Church in early February, suggests updating its stance on this reproductive technology with regard for the development of medicine in the past twenty years.
In particular, it proposes regarding as acceptable in vitro fertilization in which the production of excess embryos, their freezing, fetal reduction, donation of germ cells, and pre-implantation diagnostics are ruled out.
In the meantime, participants in the meeting of the Church-Public Council on Biomedical Ethics held at the end of last week disagreed with their opponents' attempt to legalize IVF technology in believers' consciousness.
"A group of clergymen and laymen who want to change the position of the church [...] on IVF and agree to a compromise with the wishes of women and men to have children using achievements of technological progress has been organized in our church," the Church-Public Council said in a statement.
The authors of the document believe that all "acceptable" methods chosen by the group of activists, instead of direct destruction of unneeded embryos, include direct and clear consent to their possible death for many reasons, including the number of IVF attempts, selective approach, loss of fetus at any pregnancy stage, etc.
"Informing patients, their consent and their liability waiver in tragic cases are stated in an official legal document called 'informed consent.' Thus, all supporters of this manipulation knowingly agree to the possibility of deaths of embryos and human fetuses [...] The Church should not become another 'informed participant' in knowing consent to the death of human embryos," the Church-Public Council said.
The authors of the statement also expressed concern that formal support for IVF will promote legalization in the eyes of the Orthodox community of other extracorporeal fertilization methods, which they said is "a direct path to eugenics, which was practiced in Nazi Germany and was condemned in the Nuremberg trials."
Hey! If folks who want to have kids are able to have kids.... Where’s the “BAD”.
The issue is that many “embyros” are created and only a couple at a time are implanted in the womb and then only a small percentage of them tend to take. So you are destroying many lives to create one.
I guess my whole issue here is that I actually value “HUMAN LIFE”. I don’t look at it as a matter of “stages”. You use words, embyro, fetus... In the end... You are no different than hitler, stalin and mao. You want to play “GOD”! Mengela was a “doctor” and I am sure he had his excuses. I am sure that he justified in his mind murder in the name of... Hitler reduced human life to rats/vermin... You simply excuse murder by changing words, just as he did. Embryo, fetus, rats, vermin.
Did you not read my post when I said you destroy many lives to just create one and use quotes around the word embryo.
It just seems to me that you are in the same market with those that murder innocent life and sell off the remains. I realize that you don’t care. DON’t THROW “SCIENCE” in MY face as a justification of what you do, and the ultimate end. Stem cells.. they gotta come from somewhere. My problem with you has NOTHING to do with science, or your ability(imagined or not). It has to do with your “morality”.
NO! I do get it DR. Mengala.
So tell me what you get. Because I stated the PROBLEM is many LIVES are DESTROYED TO CREATE ONE. I don’t see how I can be any more clear.
You like playing GOD! I got news. You aren’t GOD!
Are you mentally ill? I said I am 100% opposed to IVF and abortion.
Can you please read my posts and tell me what you glean from them? Because I feel like I am going crazy.
Your posts are perfectly clear. I don’t see a problem with anything you wrote.
I am perfectly sane. I’ve even gone through multiple tests. I can tell you that I ain’t nuts.
I DO NOT OPPOSE the help in science to assist parents to have children. AT ALL. I DO have a problem with science becoming a butcher of children. Call me crazy! I think that the propagation of the human species is a good thing... and the end of it’s existence a bad thing. That is where I stand.
I agree and yet somehow you misread every one of my previous comments on the matter.
Taking human life at some smaller level with the “excuse” that you are creating life... puts you into joseph mengele and frankenstien territory. The problem with science is the lack of morality. OK! You destroy some human cells in order to create a human being. It doesn’t make you GOD! I endured the experience of having my child murdered by the mother via “abortion” and having that witch thrust it in my face. If you are for the creation of human life, I am with you. But, if you start quibbling about that definition of “human life”... I am against you. Go play with your cells... but when you kill human life. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING! NO DIFFERENT THAN MY CHILD.
Which is why I hate things like IVF. If a couple is struggling to have children the best option is adoption. I am even against artifical insemination as one could look to the story of Abraham and Hagar.
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