Five Exceptions to “Thou Shalt Not Kill”

You’re right and I can stand those leftist tools.

The people who burned to death in the firebombing of Tokyo suffered more than those instantly vaporized in Hiroshima. (Of course many people who initially survived later died slowly of radiation effects.) The adults and older children in both cities would have killed any invading Allied troops with enthusiasm.

If the invasion of Japan had taken place, my father might well have been killed, and at any event would not have been stationed where he was in 1947 when he met my mother. So either way, I would not be alive.

“An unbelievably high amount of Catholics are against the Death Penalty.”

Catholics are countable. A *large number of Catholics,* not a high amount.

The things you rightfully bemoan are no part of Catholicism.

The selling of leftwad evil to Catholics is a part of Satan’s attack on the Church.

Look, if you met some gormless cretin who said, “I’m a Republican, but I think killing babies is just fine,” would you then conclude that Republicans support abortion? Or would you think, “This guy is a screwball.”

In the same way, if you meet some mindless coprophage who says, “I’m a Catholic and I reject the death penalty,” it is not correct to conclude on that basis that the Catholic Church rejects the death penalty.

No matter how many detestable, despicable, depraved, degenerate, degraded, debased, decadent, Francischurch fewmets claim to be Catholic while actually serving Satan, the teachings of the Church remain what they were when Our Lord said, “Upon this rock I will build my Church.”

Is it a sin for me to ask my wife to induce an overdose of morphine into my body? If so, where does the sin fall?

Is it sin if I put a service revolver into a position that one trigger pull will end my life? Why?

Is the difference the number of days I would live if my course of life is interfered with? The perceived quality of my life? The intention?

Why was and is it not a sin to disregard the Commandment to “Keep the Sabbath Holy”.

I hear others parrot the phrase “that was nailed to the cross”. Why just that COMMANDMENT?

“The people who burned to death in the firebombing of Tokyo suffered more than those instantly vaporized in Hiroshima.”

Check out the Rape of Nanking. It was the Axis Powers who nullified the international laws protecting civilians.

Admiral Nimitz wanted to blockade Japan and starve the entire Japanese people. The Japanese “militarists” were ready to use bamboo spears and fight an invasion to the last little old granny lady.

An invasion of the Japanese home islands would have been horribly expensive in lives, both American and Japanese.

Normally, I oppose using nuclear weapons on cities. In this one instance, bringing the war to the earliest possible end was without question the lesser of the evils we faced.

The Japanese should have followed the policy of Will Smith in Men in Black: “Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’.”

Right. The Axis Powers' atrocities were far worse than anything that can be charged against the Western Allies. (The Soviet Red Army, on the other hand, committed a lot of rapes and murders in Eastern Europe against civilians they were supposedly liberating.)

Yesterday C-SPAN 3 ran Winston Churchill's March 5, 1946, speech in Fulton, Missouri. He was introduced by President Truman whose remarks included expressing admiration for Joe Stalin.

Afterwards C-SPAN ran a 1962 black & white film warning against the spread of Communism (very up-to-date including Castro openly admitting that he was a Marxist-Leninist and always would be).

They should be showing that sort of thing in the schools.

At one point describing Communist actions after taking over a country, they talked about how people were labeled “class enemies” before being killed or sent to slave labor camps. Sort of like the way the Left is labeling all whites now as racists and white supremacists.

It’s half a century now they’ve been talking about a “need” to kill tens of millions of Americans.

Not sure what you’re getting at with those questions?

Your questions might better be put to your priest or rabbi, if you have one...I don’t purport to be an expert on “sin”, nor for that matter, was my original comment related to any “sin”...

The original subject was the difference between “Thou shall not kill” and “Thou shall not murder”, and my reply addressed that distinction only...

The two are vastly different, and the misunderstanding is chiefly due to an old misinterpretation of the early Hebrew that has carried on...Often employed in argument for the benefit of the anti-capital punishment and anti-self defense/disarmament crowd, as they believe/argue since (Thou shall not kill) “it’s in the Bible” that somehow makes their case for them...

If you’re one of the above, and perhaps like abortion while hating personal firearms ownership/The 2nd A, and/or capital punishment (hate the innocent while loving the guilty IOW), enjoy your cognitive dissonance...

If you’re looking for a flame war, look elsewhere...

Perfect example of the Catholic Faith, especially under a communist Pope, re-writing the Bible and putting their won spin in play. No thanks.

Communist heretics are not examples of the Catholic faith.

They are diametrically opposed.

There is no commandment, "Thou shall not kill" because the stone tablets that Moses brought down from Mt Sinai did not bear the word "kill." This is according to the Jews, whose word you sort of have to accept by default because they were the only ones who saw those tablets.

According to the Jews, this is the exact text of the 6th Commandment as Moses received it. This also matches exactly the two oldest copies of the Decalogue in existence, both of which date to the 1st Century BC.

The Hebrew is pronounced phonetically as "Lo tirtzach." The verb is tirtzach, which is the conjugated form of the infinitive verb, râtsach, the closest transliteration to which in the modern English lexicon is "murder." "Lo" is the term of negation, so you put them together and you get, "Don't tirtzach."

In the Torah, râtsach is never used in conjunction with a killing that is justified, ordered or excused (by G-d). But even "murder" does not quite fit because "râtsach" also forbids accidental killing, something akin to what we today would call an unintentional homicide.

Torah makes distinction between murder, killing

The Torah, in fact, never said “Thou shalt not kill,” which would be in Hebrew Lo Taharog. The Hebrew root for the word “to kill” is harog, spelled hey-reish-gimel. Instead, the Torah says in the Ten Commandments: Lo Tirtzach, which means “Thou shalt not murder” (Shemot/Exodus 20:13). Throughout the Torah, whenever it mentions capital punishment, it uses the verb harog, to kill, or yamut, he shall die; not tirtzach, to murder. Similarly, whenever discussing matters of war, the Torah commands us to kill our enemies, not murder them, which would be a transgression of the Ten Commandments to do so.
This distinction is not simply an exercise in semantics. In Torah thought and law, there is a profound distinction between killing and murdering. To murder is to wrongly end the life of an innocent human being. To kill is to end the life of another human being whose life has already lost its meaning...

"Not killing" came into the Christian Bible through several routes but the most influential probably was St Jerome's Vulgate Bible, which is a primary source for many English translations, including the King James version. Jerome wrote the Vulgate using the common or "vulgar" Latin, intended for the less educated. He reportedly thought his target audience was too simple-minded to grasp the difference so he chucked the "murder" used in the Torah and replaced it with a more broad-spectrum, less nuanced "kill."

But according to the only people who ever possessed the tablets that G-d gave to Moses, the word "kill" was nowhere on them.

The Ten Commandments, Killing, and Murder: A Detailed Commentary

This is a detailed commentary, intended to give valuable reference to Jews and Christians who find themselves facing unfounded pacifist dogma.

... Says the Torah (Exodus 20:13): Lo tirtzach!The Hebrew word used has a clear and unequivocal meaning: “Do not murder.” Unfortunately, this verse is generally mistranslated as “Do not kill.” But the Hebrew could not be more clear, and there is a world of difference between killing and murder.
This is the Sixth Commandment. How many times have you heard “Thou shalt not kill”? This mistranslation is etched upon the hearts and minds of both Jewish and Christian children and adults with pernicious results. Can we possibly estimate the numbers of lives that have been lost by foolish pacifism rather than righteous defense in the face of evil?...