Jehovah’s Witnesses Leader: COVID-19 Signals the “Last Day of the Last Days” rapture

Patheos ^ | 20 march | He meant mehta

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https://www.sundaylaw.net/books/other/standish/twobeasts/tb02.htm

Stick your head in the sand. I don’t care.

[MHGinTN]

LOL

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One last note to you, cultist: The Day of the Departure (THE Apostasia) is The Blessed Hope, for those in whom God abides.

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Better tell your prophets to get on the same page with their language....it’s getting confusing.

Gary Stearman: on the video you posted with KJ, beginning at 3:39 The “Blessed Hope” the idea of escaping God’s judgment on this world…being taken away before God’s wrath comes.

[MHGinTN]

LOL ... you're so obsessed with finding a gotcha that you don't even have eyes to see that I am offering the SAME truth.

Pitiful!

[Philsworld]

satan cannot be the restrainer because as Jesus told you a house divided against itself cannot stand.

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You don’t listen very well, do you? No one has ever said Satan is the Restrainer of the Antichrist.

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Human government is not the restrainer since satan uses human government to increase his evil.

ONLY The Holy Spirit has the supernatural power to restrain the supernatural signs and lying wonders. The Holy Spirit has the attributes of God so He is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

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Wrong again.

Romans 13:1
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God.

Daniel 2:21
He changes the times and seasons; He removes kings and establishes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

The powers and kings on this earth have existed because God commanded/appointed them.

No matter what you may think, God is in control of this earth. How much freedom He gives Satan is strictly up to Him. But make no mistake about it...God made sure the Antichrist couldn’t appear until the Western Pagan Roman Empire ceased to exist. “The authorities that exist have been appointed by God.”

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Paul distinctly tells us that he knew, and that the Thessalonians knew, what that hindrance was, and that it was then in existence. The early Church, through the writings of the Fathers, tells us what it knew upon the subject, and with remarkable unanimity affirms that this "let," or hindrance, was the Roman empire as governed by the Caesars; that while the Caesars held imperial power, it was impossible for the predicted antichrist to arise, and that on the fall of the Caesars he would arise. Here we have a point on which Paul affirms the existence of knowledge in the Christian Church. The early Church knew, he says, what this hindrance was. The early Church tells us what it did know upon the subject, and no one in these days can be in a position to contradict its testimony as to what Paul had, by word of mouth only, told the Thessalonians. It is a point on which ancient tradition alone can have any authority. Modern speculation is positively impertinent on such a subject.1

1 As to the " let" or hindrance to the manifestation of the "man of sin " referred to in 2 Thess. ii., Mr. Elliott says: "We have the consenting testimony of the early Fathers, from Ireneus, the disciple of the disciple of St. John, down to Chrysostom and Jerome, to the effect that it was understood to be the imperial power ruling and residing at Rome." — " Horae Apocalyptica;," vol. iii., p. 92.

Romanism and the reformation: from the standpoint of prophecy, by Henry Grattan Guinness, Hodder and Stoughton, 1887, pg. 194.

Why won't KJ, AW, and the rest of your prophets/teachers, mention this? Me thinks they stinketh of lies and deception.

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Guess who said this...

“Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.”

Your prophet, Ravi Zacharias.

Your religious leaders are wolves in sheep’s clothing and reprobates. Consider that.

[Iscool]

The people around Him made the same mistake you did, which is to think he was speaking as a metaphor.

48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.
50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

You certainly get the award for the 'cut and paste king'...

But hey, could you then give me the address of Thomas Aquinas, I'd like to have a chat with the guy...

55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

So do you think Jesus lied to them or he was joking with them or he was talking about spiritually eating his flesh and blood??? We know he wasn't speaking literally because he told the same crew this:

Mar 7:18  And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 
Mar 7:19  Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

That's because it's not a metaphor...Jesus was speaking to them of a spiritual operation, not a physical one...

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 

Jesus repeats the rebuke against just thinking in terms of human logic (Calvin's main problem) by saying

You gotta be kidding me...The first 3 years of a Catholic seminarian's education is in human logic...And the 4th year is in Church operation...

How clear can Paul get? "The bread IS a participation in the body of Christ"

What in the world is a 'participation in the body of Christ'??? Participation in his birth??? His Crucifixion???

in view of this overwhelming evidence from scripture and supplemented by the practise and belief of the earliest Christians, we can only say that there IS a real presence in the Eucharist

Simple then...Prove it...

[Iscool]

This may come as a shock to you but I actually believe this theory. Yes, humans have been on this earth for about 6,000 years. Christ returns with his elect, and we are with him for 1,000 years in heaven, giving the earth a 1,000 year sabbath rest.

Naw...Right after the Tribulation Jesus comes to Earth...Jerusalem to be exact...A new temple will be built...Jesus' throne will be in that temple...People will come from all over the world to worship Jesus...These will be live human terrestrial bodies...

Those people are not part of the bride of Christ, the church...The body of Christ, the church, will have a spiritual, celestial presence...We will be able to travel and operate the same as the risen Jesus does...We have already been judged, and passed...Or else we wouldn't be there...

Same principle in the bible as letting the land rest every 7th year and forgiving debts, etc... You’ll get no argument from me there. After the 1,000 years Jesus moves the New Jerusalem to the earth and we are forever with Him here. (we will also be keeping the 7th day sabbath as Isiah clearly tells us).

While I agree with you on the Sabbath and the other things related to that, I don't agree with your earth scenario...Those who inhabit the earth for 1000 years are those who come out of the Tribulation, alive and breathing air...OT tells us there will be all kinds of animals there...It is said animals won't go to heaven because they lack a spirit...Doesn't make sense for the animals to be recreated after a thousand year absence from the earth...

And besides, why would the earth need to rest since it's going to be destroyed along with heaven and replaced with a new heaven and earth???

Yeah, as far as putting an EXACT date to His return, I would probably advise against it.I'm not at all concerned about that...Nothing in the bible indicates someone will be punished for trying to guess the date...But while we will not know the day nor hour, we are instructed to understand the times and seasons that he will show up...And there's no doubt in my mind that we are in the times and seasons.. But, that won’t matter to you because you and MHGinTN will be out of here before that happens, right?

I don't know that it won't matter but absolutely we'll be outta here faster than a meteorite travels...

[Iscool]

Yet you say you don’t believe in the Trinity - so what do you believe in? That God the father died on the Cross?

No, I said I don't believe in the Catholic trinity...You know, the one that is accepted by Catholics and muzlims alike...

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In his magnificent “Apology,” addressed to the rulers of the Roman empire, Tertullian says that the Christian Church — not himself, mark, but the
Christian Church — prayed for the emperors, and for the stability of the
empire of Rome, because they knew “that a mighty shock impending over
the whole earth — in fact, the very end of all things, threatening dreadful
woes — was Only Retarded by the continued existence of the Roman empire.”6

MHGinTN: “Nah, Tertullian was a Cultist and a liar. My bible teacher, Andy Woods, told me that.”

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The Fathers held that the fall of the Roman empire was imminent, and
therefore the manifestation of antichrist close at hand. Justin Martyr, for example, one of the earliest of the Fathers, in his “Dialogue with Trypho,”
chapter 22, says: “He whom Daniel foretells would have dominion for ‘time
and times and a half’ is already even at the door, about to speak his blasphemous and daring things against the Most High.”

Doesn’t sound like pre trib rapture theory, does it?

AND NOT ONE MENTION BY THE EXPERTS, KJ AND AW. WHY NOT?

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The Antichrist power was hard at work in 1421...

In the year 1421 the miseries of the Bohemians greatly increased. Besides the executions by drowning, by fire, and by the sword, several
thousands of the followers of Huss, especially the Taborites, of all
ranks and both sexes, were thrown down the old mines and pits of Kuttenberg… In one pit were thrown 1,700, in an other 1,308, and in a
third 1,321 persons. Every year, on the 18th of April, a solemn meeting
was held in a chapel built there, in memory of those martyrs, until the
year 1613, when the mint-master Wrschesowetz endeavored to prevent
it, yet it continued until the great persecution of 1621. A monument, it
is said, still marks the place (La sitius, ‘Origo Fratrum,’ volume 1,
p. 69; Theobald’s ‘Hussite War,’ p. 150, 1624; Reiger’s ‘History of the
Bohemian Brethren,’ vol. ii., p. 592; Regenvoscius, ‘Systema Hist. Ecclesiastes Sclavonic.’).” — “The Reformation and Anti-Reformation in
Bohemia,” p. 13.↩

MHGinTN: “Nah, those were mannequins they threw down the mine shafts. Who would actually through live persons into a mine shaft like that?”

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And besides, why would the earth need to rest since it’s going to be destroyed along with heaven and replaced with a new heaven and earth???

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Because until the wicked are resurrected at the second resurrection, only Satan is alive on earth. Here’s what the earth looks like after the first resurrection, after the saints are in heaven for 1000 years..

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

So at the second coming, all the wicked living at the time will be slain. This is why Satan is restrained or bound for the 1000 years. He will have no one to deceive! The world will not have a living person left on it! This was also illustrated in the sanctuary service with the scapegoat-

Lev 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
Lev 16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

The scapegoat represented Satan, put into an uninhabited land, bearing all the sins of the world, which he is responsible for.

So, if the wicked are all dead, the earth barren but for Satan and his angels, then what of the righteous?

1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

First the righteous dead from all time will be raised from the grave, then the righteous living will be changed, and together all the righteous from all time with join with Jesus in the air. This is the rapture you hear so much about. Please note that no one living is left on earth to wonder what just happened. The wicked are all dead, and the righteous have met the Lord Jesus Christ in the air. What happens next? Let’s return to Rev 20 for the answer-

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The righteous will live and reign with Jesus in heaven for the period of 1000 years, and judge the wicked. How do I know this happens in heaven and not on earth? Good question-

John 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

At the second coming Jesus returns to earth to gather the righteous, that they may return with him to live in heaven in the mansions He has made for us.

So for the 1000 years, the books of all the wicked dead are open and available to the righteous, that they may be reviewed and judged. Now back to Rev 20-

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Clearly there are two resurrections. The first happened at the second coming and consisted of the righteous from all time, and they live with God in heaven for 1000 years. These people are immune from the second death, the fate of the wicked.

At the close of the 1000 years, Jesus and all the saints return in the New Jerusalem to earth-

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/millen.htm

[MHGinTN]

You call Ravi Zacharias ‘your prophet’, as if I held Ravi to such a lofty position. That is a demonic lie and sadly I think you know it is a lie. That you are reduced to making such a ploy is quite telling of the spirit that is within you, cultist. Satan acc omplished quite a tool in the failings of Ravi Zacharias, and you being from him are obsessed to apply the tools of your father. The Lord rebuke you and the spirit that is showing forth from you.

[Philsworld]

While I agree with you on the Sabbath and the other things related to that, I don’t agree with your earth scenario...Those who inhabit the earth for 1000 years are those who come out of the Tribulation, alive and breathing air...OT tells us there will be all kinds of animals there...It is said animals won’t go to heaven because they lack a spirit...Doesn’t make sense for the animals to be recreated after a thousand year absence from the earth..

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New heavens, new earth, new animals. Easy for God to do. And I’m pretty sure 1000 years is going to go by pretty quick.

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Ravi was your people, not mine. Many in your “circles” considered him a PROPHET. So get off your high horse.

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How about this guy...

“Prophet” Kim Clement Dies at 60

There are plenty of evangelicals that claim/call themselves prophets. Only one SDA that I know of that claimed to be a prophet.

[MHGinTN]

You poor of spirit thing, you don’t even realize you are fabricating false witness. You are so obsessed with Ravi that you run to attach him to me and all evangelicals, as if you have found your great gotcha. [BTW, cultist, I am not an ‘evangelical’.] Sad that you are so full of animus toward them, but very illustrative of a cultist, you have learned nothing from the life of Lot or the life of David.