Posted on 02/27/2021 1:36:09 PM PST by Cronos
Here, at the Council at Jerusalem, the apostles debate law keeping that the Judaizers wanted to impose on Christians. (much like you do)
This is the Holy Spirit's response.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
If the apostles agreed with you about Law keeping, then they would have said so, that Christians are obligated to keep the Law to be saved.
But they didn't. In Christ, in His death, we died to the Law. It cannot be used to judge us any more as we are now outside it's dominion.
It’s up to Iscool to answer. I won’t pretend to read his mind.
Maybe you can help him out with an answer?
And you think you're righteous enough to enter heaven with disgusting comments like this?
If the apostles agreed with you about Law keeping, then they would have said so, that Christians are obligated to keep the Law to be saved.
I never said you have to keep the law TO BE SAVED. Salvation is a gift from God, through faith in the believer. It is salvation by faith.
The born again spirit of a person cannot sin.
The soul can continue to choose sin, however.
mhgintn is quite correct that the new born again spirit in a person is sinless.
Read the gospels and the Last Supper account.
Are you that Bible illiterate?
What has Ravi got to do with the this besides being a distraction from the issue being discussed?
It’s nothing but a red herring on your part.
Have you ever lusted? How is that different from Ravi?
You do know that God considers lust the same as the action, don’t you?
I wouldn’t call that comment disgusting. Why don’t you pull up some of the things that MHGinTN and many of his buddies on this site have called me? I would certainly call those comments disgusting but I have thick skin and it doesn’t bother me. It actually makes me laugh so in a way they brightened my day up a little.
What has Ravi got to do with the this besides being a distraction from the issue being discussed?
The issue being discussed is can a born again, sin? MHGinTN says not in the spirit but maybe in the flesh. I picked Ravi as an example of a born again.
So, if Ravi raped those women, DID HE SIN? Or, is he not capable of sinning as MHGinTN is clearly saying? Substitute Ravi for any other born again. It doesn’t matter. But if anyone was a born again, Ravi was, right? That’s all I’m saying.
If Ravi raped those women (and I’m not saying he did), did he sin?
You do know that God considers lust the same as the action, don’t you?
Newsflash, I am well aware of that.
The born again spirit of a person cannot sin.
The soul can continue to choose sin, however.
mhgintn is quite correct that the new born again spirit in a person is sinless.
Rape sure does sound like a sin. But Ravi gets a pass, because it wasn’t his spirit that was sinning, right?
I don’t need to.
Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Of particular note are verses 3:10-12 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
You're depending on your ability to keep the Law is putting you under a curse. You are bringing down cursing on yourself in your vain attempt to achieve righteousness through the Law.
And with that for you to (hopefully) think about, I am done. I am not going to watse my time on someone who wants to nit pick for the sake of argument.
This is between you and God.
But you are saying you have to keep the law to 'stay' saved...
You haven't figured out that the born again Christian is separated from the corrupt flesh...That is the spiritual circumcision made without hands referenced in the book of Colossians...This is written in contrast to the physical circumcision of the Jews which set them apart unto God...The spiritual circumcision cuts the spirit away from the flesh so the spirit can't be contaminated from what the flesh does...
With all those scriptures that you avoid in the bible, don't you ever wonder what they mean???
LOL, I don’t think Phil cares what they mean, he has the white queens dictates.
I'm not sure where or if I referenced a new covenant...You mind pointing out that post???
I’m not sure where or if I referenced a new covenant...You mind pointing out that post???
In post 111, you said “He put the law on our hearts...So that hopefully we can feel remorse and ask for his forgiveness...”
Putting the law on our hearts (and in our minds) is a direct reference to the new covenant. Please tell me where you got that from in the bible.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
This has nothing to do with Christians...We are NOT the house of Israel and this is for ‘after those days’...You need to find out what ‘those days’ are...Words mean things in the bible...
This has EVERYTHING to do with Christians.
“The new covenant is here mentioned as being made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, since it was first offered to these two houses (Jer. 31:31–34). When the Jews turned down their religious privileges, “the kingdom of God” was taken from them (see on Matt. 21:33–43). The Christian church is the inheritor of the spiritual privileges and responsibilities that once belonged to literal Israel”
And that is a fact.
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