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The Kingdom of God: The Kingdom is the Church
Reformed Spokane ^ | 2009 | Prof. David J. Engelsma

Posted on 01/29/2021 2:07:36 AM PST by Cronos

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1 posted on 01/29/2021 2:07:36 AM PST by Cronos
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John 8:44-47
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”


2 posted on 01/29/2021 2:17:54 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
John 8 speaks of people who follow the pre-tribulation rapture

You are correct - those who deny Jesus' own words that "this generation" i.e. the generation he was speaking to would be the ones to witness the destruction of the temple and His coming in glory

That bunch of pre-trib rapturists are of their father the devil. Are you one of them, MHGinTN?

3 posted on 01/29/2021 2:22:14 AM PST by Cronos
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To: MHGinTN
read Matthew's references to the Kingdom of heaven

Matthew 4:17 From that time on, Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Matthew 10:7 As you go, make this proclamation: ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

Matthew 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent are taking it by force.

do you see this -- "the Kingdom of heaven from the days of John the Baptist" and "the Kingdom is at hand"

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Furthermore, Matthew 16:19 Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” makes it crystal clear that the Kingdom of heaven is both in heaven and on earth thanks to Jesus

This is emphasized in Matthew 18:1 At that time the disciples approached Jesus and said, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Note -- who IS, not who WILL be -- and they are all at that time on earth.

4 posted on 01/29/2021 2:23:32 AM PST by Cronos
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To: MHGinTN
If we look at and combine all of the various statements made in Scripture regarding the Kingdom of Heaven, we find the following: we see that the kingdom of God is in the here and now, present in and through the Church. Yet it is a mixed reality that will only be perfectly realized at the end of history. This current “mixed” state can be seen as the Church on earth which now grows in the field of the world with both weeds and wheat until the harvest when Christ says he will “tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned. But gather the wheat into my barn” (Matt 13:30).
5 posted on 01/29/2021 2:26:40 AM PST by Cronos
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To: MHGinTN
Mark 4:26-34

The kingdom of God is a mustard seed growing into the biggest shrub of all

Jesus said to the crowds: ‘This is what the kingdom of God is like. A man throws seed on the land. Night and day, while he sleeps, when he is awake, the seed is sprouting and growing; how, he does not know. Of its own accord the land produces first the shoot, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear. And when the crop is ready, he loses no time: he starts to reap because the harvest has come.’

He also said, ‘What can we say the kingdom of God is like? What parable can we find for it? It is like a mustard seed which at the time of its sowing in the soil is the smallest of all the seeds on earth; yet once it is sown it grows into the biggest shrub of them all and puts out big branches so that the birds of the air can shelter in its shade.’

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The Church is the kingdom of God - growing steadily since the foundation in 33 AD

6 posted on 01/29/2021 2:42:08 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Are you making any money off of your raft of twisted theology, preterist Catholic?


7 posted on 01/29/2021 3:06:05 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Cronos

The church is all God made,we are saved by faith in grace, not churches not sacraments not priest of a discipline line, we are saved by Jesus, and to know him is not a study of the church, it is to walk with Him, be a laborer for the harvest. I have heard of anti semetic catholuc groups claiming the power of the cross as only theirs..Liars..no church there, The Jews are God’s people forever, we become Jewish in Christ..man knows nothing if God does not interpret along the walk..


8 posted on 01/29/2021 3:40:29 AM PST by aces (and )
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To: MHGinTN

fake cult they are.


9 posted on 01/29/2021 3:41:33 AM PST by aces (and )
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To: Cronos

The Jewish believers were the real church, still going today throwing out man’s death cults. St thomas aquinas is one such cult.


10 posted on 01/29/2021 3:43:23 AM PST by aces (and )
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To: Cronos

slap marys face over Ishtar and use the same pagan priest. The procession of saints is a lie, the church has no power over you, no matter what your big head says. Defending the church is not defending God. .


11 posted on 01/29/2021 3:45:00 AM PST by aces (and )
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To: Cronos

yea but Peter was Jewish, as was Mary and all the apostles, they knew they worshipped the Father, and that Israel would be his priestly class, Peter, was, is, and will always be a Jew, Mary is your sister..to make her divine is not truth..


12 posted on 01/29/2021 3:47:48 AM PST by aces (and )
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nope, it is not God’s church, it is cursed because it denies Israel as God’s path home through Christ, he is a Jew ya know, and the last supper was the passover feast, good observant jews, no new church made, a straightening of the path, no wafers needed, no church needed, God is needed, through his people, specifically Christ.


13 posted on 01/29/2021 3:51:37 AM PST by aces (and )
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To: MHGinTN
No, I'm not a pre-tribulation rapturist like Harold Camping

btw, I'm not a preterist - I have no idea what that term means.

What I do know is that the pre-tribulation rapture is not supported in the Bible nor in the Church's beliefs at all or anywhere until the creation of that concept in the 1800s

Your philosophy is false and it divides the teachings of Christ into "this is the teaching for Jews" and "this is for Christians" when it completely forgets that Christians ARE Jesus-movement Jews and what we call "Jews" today are "Rabbinical Jews" derived from the Pharisee sect.

You guys deny Christ's words and set up laughing stocks like Camping, Miller, the Jehovah's witnesses etc. all who denigrate Christ's teachings

14 posted on 01/29/2021 4:09:15 AM PST by Cronos
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To: aces

Dude, did you read who wrote this article? Hint - it weren’t Caflix


15 posted on 01/29/2021 4:09:51 AM PST by Cronos
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To: aces
The Jewish believers were the real church, still going today throwing out man’s death cults. St thomas aquinas is one such cult.

What are you talking about?

The Jewish believers ARE the jesus-movement-jews now called Christians. The Pharisees rejected Jesus and created RAbbinical Judaism - what we call Jews today

And Aquinas don't have no cult. That would be the Jehovah's Witnesses, Adventists etc.

16 posted on 01/29/2021 4:11:28 AM PST by Cronos
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To: aces
This image should give you an idea of why Christians are essentially a sect of 2nd temple Judaism and why "Jews" are essentially the Pharisee sect of 2nd temple Judaism that was recreated in 70 AD


17 posted on 01/29/2021 4:15:42 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

All your positions are preterist, dude If it walks like a duck...


18 posted on 01/29/2021 4:35:09 AM PST by Dartoid
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To: Dartoid

Ducks waddle.


19 posted on 01/29/2021 5:41:25 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (RISE UP O MEN OF GOD. BE DONE WITH LESSER THINGS.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Point well taken


20 posted on 01/29/2021 6:10:51 AM PST by Dartoid
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