Catholics Come Home: Tyler Lynch, Millennial & Intellectual Evangelical converts to Catholicism

Catholics Come Home ^

[Cronos]

Nah, Frankie is just the current Prime Minister - the key point is that the King and High Priest - Jesus Christ is there.

[Cronos]

If you, boatbums, want to look at the Greek original or the Aramaic here is the cross-reference --> and NOTE that it is "I WILL give you the Keys" -- yet, by Matthew 16 Jesus had already been preaching the gospel for quite some time

• Matthew 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
• Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom,

etc. - Jesus was already preaching the Gospel, had told His disciples to spread it

Matthew 10:14 "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,"

So your personal definition, boatbums, does not hold in the context nor in the language itself

[Cronos]

Next, let's look at your next statement, boatbums Jesus said that those who eat His flesh and drink His blood will never hunger or thirst. Do you still get hungry or thirsty? Did he perhaps mean something more figuratively than literally here?

the “eating” and “drinking” that Jesus refers to in verse 35 is not meant to be taken literally. The reason is that Jesus explicitly tells us what the eating and drinking refer to: “He who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.”

When Jesus starts talking in verse 51 about eating his flesh (“I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh”) and following, he never backtracks to these ideas of coming to him and believing in him.

Instead, Jesus sticks with the “flesh and blood” language. He’s not using the eating and drinking language as he did in verse 35. Something new has been introduced into the conversation, and it’s the act of eating his flesh and blood.

Let’s read John 6 - just the words of Jesus recorded

he said to Philip, “Where can we buy enough food for them to eat?”
Philip answered him, “Two hundred days’ wages[e] worth of food would not be enough for each of them to have a little [bit].”
Jesus said, “Have the people recline.”
He gave thanks, and distributed them to those who were reclining, and also as much of the fish as they wanted.

they saw Jesus walking on the sea[k] and coming near the boat, and they began to be afraid. 20 But he said to them, “It is I.[l] Do not be afraid.”

“Amen, amen, I say to you, you are looking for me not because you saw signs but because you ate the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life,[o] which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal.”

“This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.”

, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. 36 But I told you that although you have seen [me], you do not believe. 37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, 38 because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. 39 And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it [on] the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him [on] the last day.”

“Stop murmuring[r] among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets:

‘They shall all be taught by God.’

Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; 50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

“Does this shock you? 62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?[u] 63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh[v] is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.”
“For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”

“Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?” 71 He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.

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Jesus’ deeds and words are clear

1. God will feed the multitudes
2. I am God - I can walk on water
3. Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life,[o] which the Son of Man will give you
4. This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent
5. my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
6. I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger,
7. I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
8. unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

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He is crystal clear - and He emphasizes that this is not an allegory, but repeats thrice that this is what you are to do - eat of His Body and drink of His blood Concerning this, Jesus is not speaking about His Flesh (“My Flesh”), in verse 63 but “*the* flesh” which is very different. What Jesus means by “”the flesh profits nothing” is very simple because he uses the phrase again in John 8:15 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%208.15) (we must let the Bible interpret the Bible 🙂 where he says: *“You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.”* (John 8:15, NKJV (https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/John%208.15)) When Jesus uses the phrase “the flesh” he is referring to human understanding apart from divine revelation. This statement of Jesus affirms what he has said about eating his Flesh and drinking his Blood and tells us it is a great mystery — spirit and life. With these words Jesus castigates **you*, for judging spiritual things with earthly minds — by the flesh — and failing to understand the deep mysteries of God in the Eucharist. And by the way, this “symbol only“ mentality about Scripture and this passage in particular is only 500 years old - so a modernist understanding . From the beginning of the Church Christians have understood that Jesus was speaking of his Flesh and Blood in the Eucharist — after all Jesus did not say, “This represents my body.“ he said “This is My Body!“

[Cronos]

church filled with homosexual priests?

well, even the most sober non-Catholic secular sites say it WAS 17% - that is not filled.

It is too much I agree

The one good thing about the entire Prode acceptance and the scandals is that the men joining the priesthood since the late 1990s are men who are definitely NOT frou-frou and are very devout --> as you gotta be devout if people constantly suspect you of being improper

At the end of the day, the ministrant priests impropriety doesn't take away from the core of Christ's teachings in the Church

To me that is the Eucharist - where the High Priest and Sacrifice comes in communion with us in a mental, physical and spiritual sense.

[Cronos]

when I actually picked up the Catholic Bible and read it

If I might ask - what did you read that made you think that way?

I ask as reading the Bible had the opposite effect on me:

• On meditating and reading the books of the Bible it did seem clear that there are different ways of interpreting different passage - while we do hold to the 4 senses in scriptural interpretation; the literal, allegorial, moral and anagogical - to which I would add the historical and the linguistic; it is clear that people can interpret different items differently - which is why to me the very concept of sola scriptura fails:
  1. Even the constitution needs a supreme court to interpret it for different levels
  2. The moment the gates were opened by Martin Luther, you have multiple interpretations coming around - and quickly: down to the Unitarians appearing in a few years denying the Trinity
     
     
  3. In contrast, the core dogmas of the faith - the Eucharist, no sola fide etc. are shared between not only the Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox but even the Assyrian Church and the Marthomite church (in Persia and India founded by the apostles Bartholomew and Thomas respectively) have the same dogma even though they were out of communion with the Catholic/Orthodox right from around 240 AD
  
  
  
• Sola Fide is also explicitly denied by Jesus Himself (not everyone who says Lord, Lord will be saved) --> Catholics believe that We are saved by faith working through love (see Galatians 5:6) - nothing that precedes justification of the wicked merits justification

  To me the way that non-Lutheran groups reject the Eucharist seems to hit directly at the very core of Christianity - the Eucharist, the True Presence of the Body and Blood of Christ is what Christians were put to death for and which Justin Martyr in 150 AD wrote in defense of, so how can one deny that?

[Cronos]

boatbums - in terms of the Eucharist, not only do the Lutherans and the Eastern Orthodox agree with the Catholic position that it is the True Presence of the Body and blood of Christ, but so too do the Copts, the Armenians and even the Assyrians and Marthomites (the latter 2 were separated from the Catholics in around 240 AD)

Christians in the first centuries also believed that it was the True body and blood of Christ - to which the pagan Roman authorities accused them of cannibalism and to which it was a sign of whether one was Christian or not

Who were the people in the early centuries BEFORE constatine who denied the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist? Only the Gnostics -- so boatbums, the Gnostics are your spiritual forefathers, that should put pause to your thoughts, correct?

[2nd amendment mama]

AMEN! Thank you for this post! Your words reflect my thinking too. I’m much closer to Jesus now, as a true Christian, than I’ve ever was as a Roman Catholic.

[boatbums]

Thank you for your kind words. A lot has happened to me since I wrote those words FOUR YEARS AGO. But I can truthfully say my faith has never been stronger and my dependence on my Heavenly Father has only grown deeper. I discover over and over that His mercies are renewed every morning and His faithfulness and goodness never cease. I fall more in love with Him as time goes by and I yearn for the day when I see Him face to face.

Why certain religious people want to drag up old threads in order to “compare themselves among themselves” and presume they alone have the “true” faith, I don’t know. What I do know for certain is that it is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ we worship and believe in and that will be what matters in the end.

God bless you 2AMama!