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To: safisoft; JesusIsLord; impactplayer; Shery; Pelham

I had an office on 47th street a few doors from Kaplan’s deli in the 80s

I also worked out of London and Ramat Gan and Geneva and some in Antwerp before the Hindi took over

I was a procurer....from Muzo to Roraima to Minas Gerais to Sierra Leone and the Congo and Zambia and the Karen held region of Burma

I had Israeli and NewYork and London and Swiss ..all Jewish without exception .. partners in diamonds and emeralds ....and other precious stones

Navarro, Goldhaber, Schlapp and Applebaum.....these are big names to folks who knew the business then ...worldwide

many Orthodox and even Haredi Jews of various sects and some bohemian secular like kibbutz raised Navarro whom I consider one of my best friends of my life and who later went all Rebbe and married Rebbes granddaughter from Monsey and had a zillion kids with her....arranged..he was 42...her 18..(maybe)

I never met one who believed Jesus was the messiah

If so I find that good news....wonderful

But I never saw it....I did the danger work with my mining partners and traveled to conflict zones....they helped sell and cut and prepare and make deals .....

Never ever met one Haredi who believed Jesus was the messiah and that Christianity was righteous and valid

Quite the contrary....I was not allowed to use plateware or glasses etc in an Haredi home in Monsey because as a goyim ....a serious goyim lol.....I was unclean....they weren’t much different to secular Jews either

Hassidism is to me a near cult with similarities to FLDS arranged underaged marriages....grifting...public dole exploitation and so forth....but many vote R just like extremist Mormons so freepers think they great...

I don’t see them accepting my Messiah Yeshua or Jesus whatever name you like...The Christ

So educate me ...and I mean that respectfully....I’d like to believe it’s true

I have been to seders at orthodox homes....just normal kippah wearing orthodox ...maybe a tallit under the jacket on Friday’s or a tefillah for morning prayer on occasion ..nothing too extreme from these moderate orthodox

They welcomed me ..Home wise .....more orthodox or Haredi would never.....ever


46 posted on 10/18/2020 1:18:23 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you run the tra)
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To: wardaddy

I read about small Messianic groups here in America, but know no one who actually belongs. My grandfather was Jewish, but I always thought myself Goyim.

I trained for nursing in a very large NYC training hospital. The Jews I met there are more likely to become Messianic because they are not rigid Hassidic Jews, who are very volatile towards unbelievers and. are like the Muslims should a family member “see the Light”! Having been to Israel many times, my son currently studying at Hebrew University as a Biblical Major for his Masters program, he’s had many opportunities to speak on the side with his professors, many of who see, very close, and our son says he thinks some are closet believers.

They attend a Messianic congregation that meets Saturday mornings when not under lockdown. I see many Jews that I think would be open to the gospel because they are not of the extreme sects, that even many Jews have little to do with. however these extreme sects have a lot of power, which is what Netanyahu attempted to avoid because the people reject their rigidness.

However, I believe the numbers of Jewish believers will increase because of the persecution and the events that are soon to unfold in the Middle East. We are to provoke them to jealousy, not cause them to further fall away, so we need to be careful when speaking to them, They must show interest, we don’t just approach them and unload guilt on them. We are already suspect because of historical events that they do not forget nor do many forgive.

I was welcomed to most of my Jewish friends houses, even for Passover, which I enjoyed & prayed they’d have their eyes opened to the Truth. It takes a lot of time & patience. One must be diligent, but not pushy. the Bible states they will be restored when they call upon the Name of the Lord to save them,. when they come to the end of themselves and realize that He is their Lord & Savior. May it be soon & may many take heed to the warnings of Scripture which are unfolding rapidly before our eyes!


48 posted on 10/18/2020 5:14:55 AM PDT by Shery (Pray for righteousness to be restored and for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: wardaddy
I was speaking of secret believers but yes, there are changes, even visible ones - but we don't have to see it to know that someday Israel will acknowledge and welcome their/our Messiah, Yeshua/Jesus. Mostly likely not through evangelistic efforts on the part of Christians who are viewed at best suspiciously (as they should be), but rather by direct revelation as is already occurring among some individuals as seemingly was the case with Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter. I mention him only has an example.

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! Romans 11:11-12


49 posted on 10/18/2020 5:27:17 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: wardaddy

Thanks for responding. This is the outline of the story:
1) Man sinned and can no long be in union with a Holy God;’
2) God set up rules - sacrifices - by which man could be made Holy so man could approach God (the details are very specific and take as long as a week for the priest);
3) God also set up sacrifices which enabled men to be at peace with their God;
4) These had always been temporary until the coming of the promised Messiah (Christ in Greek);

I will start with an if - “if” God sent His Son to pay the price for our sin, such that we could receive Holiness - thus we could approach God - “then” He would expect everyone (especially his chosen Jews) to accept that offer. Those who would not would be outside the Grace of God which His Son had made available.

For about fifteen years the early church was made up exclusively of Jews. But this good news was too good to keep, so Gentiles were drawn to it also. They would never be part of the faithful Jewish remnant who formed the early church but could be “grafted into” the true vine of the Jewish people.

Salvation from Sin is now offered to all through Messiah, but to those who reject it, re-unification with the Father is not longer available - that temple has been destroyed.

God wants us to see this - to know him. And there is an easy way verify the reality of Messiah. Simply pray: “God, I do not know if any of this is true - such a strange story. But if it is, please revel this to me in a way which I can understand and accept. I really want - I really need - to know. Amen.”

“If” God is real - He will answer this prayer. Just pray it sincerely - God is very serious about this, and so should you be.

Peace


56 posted on 10/18/2020 10:47:03 AM PDT by impactplayer
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To: wardaddy

I’d like to see someone mention this idea to Dennis Prager just so that I could watch the explosion.


67 posted on 10/18/2020 1:51:41 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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