Posted on 10/09/2020 6:01:41 AM PDT by Teleios Research
Which does not address your claim that one has to work to be saved.
That theology is false teaching.
Jesus did all we need for salvation. We do NOT have to add works to His finished work on the cross to help save ourselves. Nothing we do or don’t do has any affect on our standing in Christ as saved, born again/born from above believers.
God saves us, it’s His work on our lives. Since our works in trying to attain righteousness is as filthy rags in His sight, they cannot contribute to our salvation.
We are not saved by faith, kept by works.
We are saved and kept solely by the grace of God.
Hebrews 10:26
“For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left...”
I accept the Catholic faith, Christ’s Catholic Church, Christ’s teachings, and Christ’s Sacraments and try to do the will of God.
They are very clear to most us and we practice our beliefs with faith, hope and charity.
Only in God will we find the truth, peace, and happiness for which we never stop searching. We are called to know and love the Lord.
The prophecy of Isiah:
“You shall hear but never understand, you shall indeed see but never perceive.”
I accept the Holy Spirit inspired, God breathed divine revelation of Truth found in Scripture.
If you want to follow the fables and fantasies and opinions of men that Catholicism is built on, that’s on you. It’s your eternity you are gambling with.
That is not illogical at all, except to one who is ignorant of the issue. Faith alone, not works, is what appropriates justification, but such faith itself is not alone, as faith is what effects obedience to the object of said faith. Everything we choose to do is a result of what we truly believe, at least at the moment, and thus one who believes on the risen Lord Jesus is one who obeys Him.
Luther nor Calvin could ever show one example where a disobedient person who was rebellious to doing God’s will was unconditionally justified by God anyway.
And if you were better acquainted with the issue you should know that this is not what sola fide means. Luther himself taught,
faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit... Faith cannot help doing good works constantly... if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit... where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith.. where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both. if obedience and God's commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil's own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead... if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation... faith casts itself on God, and breaks forth and becomes certain through its works... faith must be exercised, worked and polished; be purified by fire... it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present... where the works are absent, there is also no Christ... References and more by God's grace. - http://peacebyjesus.net/Reformation_faith_works.html
“... if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, “the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.” It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation...”
Daniel1212, you, yet again, tell the discerning ear Truth from God from Scripture.
Dear Lord, please continue to bless and guide Daniel1212 and his lived ones.
In Jesus’ Name, Amen.
And we here whom you attack realize that your practice of parroting of propaganda as a response to refutation of it, is actually an argument against being a Catholic. Here among your question-begging assertions (asserting what needs to be proven, but is not) is one that you have attempted before, and warrants the same question asked of youmore than once, then and which we are still waiting for you to give a clear answer to. Which is, how can you take John 6:53 literally, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you," (John 6:53) and yet be a V2 Catholic when Lumen Gentium and other modern teaching generally affirms of properly baptized Protestants - all of which deny the Catholic Real Presence and according to Rome lack the necessary priest to confect the Eucharist -
See more of ADSUM's recent attempted "arguments by mere assertions, parroting what she can only wish was true, and response by me to here and here, and here , by the grace of God.
Paul’s epistles were directed to issues related to conversion that the works of the law - Mosaic Law that no one can earn or merit the free gift of grace by Obedience to the Torah.
Paul goes beyond that, for while Paul uses the Law here in contrast with faith, the Law represents all systems of justification based upon merit of them, ("for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law:" Galatians 3:21) and Paul broadly disallows "by works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:5; cf. Eph. 2:8,9) as justifying one, and nowhere does Paul teach that another class of works is salvific in this sense.
However, the "obedience of faith" does justify one as it did Abraham long after his faith was accounted for righteousness, in the sense that works justify one as being a believer, having a complete faith, as James 2 teaches as regards offering up his first born (Gn. 22) - but not as if that was when his faith was imputed for righteousness, which happened years before. (Gn. 15:6) But faith and works go together as cause and effect, for faith without works is dead, yet it is heart-purifying faith itself behind works that is imputed for righteousness.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word...Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:43,44,46-47) (Acts 10:43)
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5)
...but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 4:4-5)
And since the two go together, as Luther himself taught, then they can sometimes be used interchangeably (everlasting life by believing: John 3:16; to those who obey the Lord: Hebrews 5:9) like as forgiveness and healing were in the account of the Lord healing the palsied man in Mark 2, although forgiveness was the cause and healing was the effect. To believe is to be baptized (presuming one knows they are to be, and to be baptized is to believe (presuming one knows what it signifies).
Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. (Mark 2:9-11)
Catholics imagine that by adding "by the grace of God" to their works then they can saw they are not contradicting Scripture in holding that they "have truly merited eternal life" by their very works, (Trent, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 32) but which a devout Judaizer teaching that salvation is via law-keeping could say. Fulfilling the righteousness of the law is what faith works toward, and such evidence justifies one as being a believer and fit to be rewarded for his works, but no one a merits eternal life by actually becoming good enough to be with God ("full salvation") thru Purgatory.
James’s letter addresses those already practicing the faith that we accept our faith with charity in doing good works as Jesus did (Mt 5:16 John 14:12)
Actually James’s letter much addresses those professing an inert faith, thus describing what kind of faith is salvific, which is not one that is alone, but as with Abraham, effects obedience, faith being inoperable in effect from the latter, by the grace of God.
Again. I saw this thread and had to check the date, for it is a repeat by the same promoter: Salvation is a free gift of God! You can have confidence you are saved. 7/24/2020, 10:55:20 AM by Teleios Research
Actually, it is effectual living faith in the Person, the risen Lord Jesus who died for our sins and rose again that is counted for righteousness, not just faith in a work He did or in a promise, abstract from who and what He is.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9-10)
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:14-16)
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25-26)
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house. (Acts 16:31-34)
May God bless ConservativeMind for his prayers of faith.
Salvation comes to anyone who entrusts themselves to Christ's payment for sin alone, apart from works, including "sacraments."
Christ alone saves.
Churches do not save.
Sacraments do not save.
I've seen posts regularly from your account that do exactly that.
I've pointed out quite a few times that account did it!
We are saved and kept solely by the grace of God.
We are indeed, MM. I am comfortable with that. If others are not comfortable with that, all I can say is, sorry about that. As you know, I used to belong to a false religion, where no one has assurance of salvation. Now, I have assurance of salvation. Once again, I am comfortable with that. If people don’t want assurance of salvation, that’s on them. I hope they have a nice eternity. I plan to. 😁👍
That is just what salvation under the Law required, and is just what the New Covenant is contrary to. In which the sinner must realize he nothing to offer God by which he could escape his just punishment in Hell-fire or actually merit salvation, and instead the redeemed have come to God as souls as sinners knowing their desperate need of salvation, and not as souls saved by their works or church affiliation, but as destitute of any means or merit whereby they may escape their just judgment and gain eternal life.
And who with contrite hearts place all their faith in the Divine Christ as the Lord and Savior, who died for our sins and is risen to reign in glory, (1 Peter 2:24; 328,22) and who declare this living faith in baptism and following their Lord with humble hearts, (Acts 8:36,37; 10:43–47; 15:7–9) and repent when convicted in heart of not doing so. (Psalm 34:218) Thanks be to God.
Rather than one meeting the condition for justification by being obedient enough (perfection) and then one receiving the free gift, regenerating heart-purifying penitent faith (Acts 10:43; 15:7-9) is counted for righteousness, (Rm. 4:5) appropriating justification, (Rm. 5:1) and renders one accepted in the Beloved (on His account) and positionally seated together with their Lord in Heaven, (Ephesians 1:6; 2:6) from where they await the Lord's return and His final subduing of our "vile body," that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body," (Philippians 3:21)and which is the only transformative change after this life that the Scriptures speak of.
However, this saving justifying faith, is a faith which effects obedience by the Spirit, in word and in deed, in heart and in life, whereby "the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit," (Romans 8:4) insofar as we do. And since faith and works go together like light and heat, sometimes they are used interchangeably as to what they effect. And which obedience includes penitent confession when convicted of not pleasing the Object of his faith for salvation, the risen Lord Jesus.
What is the “false doctrine” you’re decrying?
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It is the sign of that false religion that they can tell you every ritual you must perform, but they can't tell you how to be saved.
Nor are those posting saved, according to their own words.
Exactly! If faith is genuine the believer will progress through sanctification as his faith matures:
Anyone who makes salvation conditional on our works of any kind, falls from grace - he disqualifies himself from God's grace because grace is undeserved, unmerited, unearned favor. But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. THAT is grace!
Well if your ‘working’ out your salvation then why did Jesus have to die?
Let me ask....
How does one know if they’re being obedient to God? what are they using to measure that?
Amen ... Selah ... Hear here! Really, nothing further needs be said.
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