Posted on 10/07/2020 2:47:49 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
As was in the beginning of Christianity, the same deceptions are showing up at the end (Just before Jesus returns). God’s Word can keep us from these false teachers and false prophets. But we have to be Berean, and not be pressured to accept these heresies simply because the tide of Christianity is going out in the West. Jesus forewarned us...”will I find faith?”
Keep telling truth!
I never understood why Christians want to do the “Jew Thing.” It reminds me of Japanese cowboys.
Romans 11. Memorize it. You walk on very shaky ground saying things like, “I never understood why Christians want to do the “Jew Thing.” Every Word in the Bible is a “Jew Thing”.
Them anti-missionaries have been around a long time read the letter to the Hebrews.
Agree, but the author means Rabinic ideas creeping into the Messianic Faith.
True dat, Daug, some of them are really powerful and need to be warned against
This person has twisted a few things regarding the Messianiic movement.
First of all, the “Jewish” laws received a tdd the mountain, ARE NOT Jewish laws. They are God’s expectations of what he will give and what he wants from his Bride. It’s a wedding agreement between two parties..Husband and Wife. They have nothing to do with Rabbi’s. God’s gifts and callings are unrevokable. God xhanges not. What he hated then, he still hates now. What he loved then, he loves still. And he said he didn’t send his messiah to abolish his laws.
Not all who are called in this Messianic movement deny Jeshuah as the son of God or God in the flesh. Many reject the laws established by men to be over the laws of God.
Yeshuah himself spoke sharply of hippocrite rabbis who preach Moses but don’t obey. And, there are somewhere around 28 Jewish denominations so whose to say what is Jewish with out asking which denomination.
Many of todays Messianic movement agree on some things such as God being the initiator of his own laws. We celebrate the holy days that God calls his special days which includes a 7th day rest..Saturday.
Jesus commanded a legion of filthy spirits into a herd of pigs. He wouldn’t have cast them into that which is clean. What was unclean then is unclean now unless he or she accepts Yeshuah as the high priest who cleanses them from their sin. Humans only.
There will be 12 tribes saved in the end. You can read who is inclused in the revelation. A good many of us on earth are descendants of those tribes. Many were lost, but now are found..with more to come.
A broad brush was used to make claims in the article. This movement is growing and like all other denominations, there are different views from different groups. Most of us want only ONE view...God’s.
One final thing....many Jews are coming to messiah and Many people from around the world are adopting the ways of God. I saw a Japanese group dancing like hebrew dancers and laughed with Joy because I got a glimpse of what the glory of the nations looks like.
I can hardly wait for the wedding dance with the King of Kings!
Thank God for pastor Bill. I have been wondering, why is it no pastor seems to have the courage to sound the alarm about the Noahide laws?
It seems all this Bolshevic lawlessness we are seeing, serves to prepare the way for the Noahide laws...as the answer for the lawlessness.
If the lawlessness gets bad enough, on a scale greater than what we have already seen, the public will be casting about for anything that will alleviate the situation.
Enter the Noahide laws. For those who do NOT know their Bibles, it will be just what they are looking for. They are already a law in America, not sure about other countries, waiting for the right time to spring them on an unsuspecting public weary with all the lawlessness.
Lol.
There aren't too men who aren't attracted to the cowboy image...Eito Fujiyama with a Stetson. Lol.
There are Karaite Jews who reject the Talmud and only rely on the OT for truth. However there are only about 50,000 worldwide. They argue that since the written Torah was lost during the Babylonian captivity there could be no way the oral Torah (if there even was one) could survive.
PrairieLady thanks for your comments. With all due respect, it looks like you misunderstand my article. I did not write about or against Messianic Judaism at all. I celebrate the fact that more Jews are coming to faith in Messiah than at anytime since the first century. I am warning about something entirely different, the so called “Noahide movement” inspired by unbelieving Rabbis who relentless attack the basic tenets of the Christian revelation. I am not aware of any “twisting” I have done regarding the Messianic movement, but it is possible that I wasn’t clear enough...
Well written. Next to no one has heard of ben Zakkai when he is such a pivotal figure
Pinging a poignant article by bill
I agree
Ping about the Noahide movement.
I apologize, I didn’t read enough in - as usual.
The KJV chrstian bible is self-evidently true because it is the bible of the chosen holy special Anglo-American chosen people. Those who chose to be born into Anglo-American Protestant culture are to be commended for being born into the ethno-culture that has the One True Bible. Just think, they could have been born into cultures that use the Septuagint, Peshitta, or Ethiopian bible and that is all so self-evidently wrong (what were these other people thinking?). You can be sure that the KJV is the one and only true Divinely inspired scripture because "non-chrstians" who have breathed in the doctrines of Anglo-Protestantism from their very birth eventually when hearing a verse quoted for the blue-millionth time suddenly feel electricity going up and down their backs, making them sure-enough adult converts to chrstianity just like the first christians who also were raised on the KJV and eventually got "saved."
Never mind that the Torah is the one and only Divine revelation in all of human history known (not merely believed) to be true because G-d revealed Himself before from two and a half to three million people, nothing that ever happened before and will never happen again. Okay, it was true once but then Galatians came along and Galatians is self-evidently a continuation of the Jewish Bible because they all wound up together in the KJV, the self-evidently one true version. If it weren't true, G-d would certainly not have permitted it to be added to the KJV. The very fact that it's in the Protestant bible "proves" that it is true, since there is no external standard that may be used to determine scriptural canon other than the fact that when hearing the True Bible one feels funny and gets happy. Surely G-d wouldn't let people feel funny or get happy if it were not true.
Never mind that Noahides are actually forbidden to observe the Torah (doing so is stealing from `Am Yisra'el and cause one to lose one's portion in the World to Come).
Never mind that for fifteen hundred years all chrstianity did was was replace one legal/ritual/ceremonial system (one from the Bible) with a new one that is of totally post-Biblical origin. We know that the very moment the last apostle died everyone got out their Thomas Nelson KJVs and began trying to painfully and carefully reconstruct the "new testament church" like a paleontologist trying to piece together a dinosaur skeleton, and that anyone who didn't immediately do so was introducing the "doctrines and commandments of men" into the now lost Truth which can only be reconstructed by consulting the "new testament" that wasn't even canonized yet. That their reconstruction project produced nothing but a blue zillion different churches that no one can agree on doesn't matter. Scripture has been providentially preserved into the now authoritative KJV (all those foreigners better learn seventeenth century English!). G-d could do this because He is G-d. But He couldn't providentially preserve any authentic oral teachings because He isn't powerful enough, and all the oral traditions are self-evidently wrong because they contradict the one true Anglo-Protestant religion which alone is self-evidently true. And besides, don't worry, because the Holy Spirit sees to it that you interpret it correctly. Of course, the same Holy Spirit seems to be telling all those other people to interpret it differently from you, but they're wrong because G-d would see to it that only you are right. All those other people should obviously give up their own interpretations and accept yours like G-d wants them to.
Never mind that chrstianity, whether historical or "reconstructed," all claimed that all the things G-d once commanded are not forbidden, and everything He once forbade is now permitted, if not optional. That could not possibly have any connection whatsoever that now the whole world is facing a situation where what was once commanded is now forbidden and what was once forbidden is now commanded. That could not possibly be the ultimate price for replacing Biblically-mandated rituals with post-Biblical ones two thousand years ago. So in the midst of filth and sin on a scale never before known let us attack the observance of G-d's Commandments as "works righteousness."[/sarcasm]
For over twenty years I have defended Fundamentalist Protestants from their hypocritical enemies on this forum because, for all their problems, they at least realize that when G-d says that something happened, then it actually happened. Intellectually I know that to be consistent these people must eventually attack the G-d-given Torah and Noachide Laws as well (since this life is apparently all about salvation through a legal loophole). But it still hurts.
What next . . . that the real Mashiach is going to exalt himself over everything that is called G-d? That's funny, since so far the only "messiah" to do this is your Nazarene prophet.
First of all, I don’t go by the KJV bible, I go by the Douay Raimes version.
Second of all, I don’t think we had anything against the Torah (far from it, the guy who wrote that blog went out of his way to state that the Old Testament was still very much relevant to Christian teaching, and that Christianity owes much for the Jews), but at least in my case, I have lots of things against the Talmud (which is NOT the Torah despite what Rabbis claim, but a mockery of the Old Testament). One particular irksome aspect of the Talmud, arguably much worse than even how Jesus and Mary were outright demonized in that text, was how they treated God the Father, or if you prefer, the God of Abraham, since they’re one and the same, in Babylonic Talmud Bava Metzia 59b:
“We learned elsewhere: If he cut it (this new special stove) into separate tiles, placing sand between each tile: R. Eliezer declared it clean, and the Sages declared it unclean; and this was the oven of ‘Aknai (which means “serpent,” probably named after either the inventor or because long serpentine pieces of clay were used to attach the separate tiles).....
It has been taught: On that day (of the discussion about the new Aknai oven) R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument, but they did not accept them.
Said he to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!’
Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place; others affirm, four hundred cubits.
‘No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,’ they retorted.
Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!’
Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards
‘No proof can be brought from a stream of water,’ they rejoined.
Again he urged: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,’ whereupon the walls inclined to fall.
But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: ‘When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what (right) have you to interfere?’
Hence they did not fall, in honor of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright (position), in honor of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined.
Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!’
Whereupon a Bat Kol cried out: ‘Why do you dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!’
But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’
What did he mean by this?
Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Bat Kol, because You have long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, “After the majority must one incline.”
R. Nathan met Elijah (the prophet) and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour?
He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.’”
That last portion really irked me due to that passage making an utter mockery of the guy who got your sorry butts out of Egypt, making him such a weak dullard that he ended up forcibly restrained by the Rabbis to such an extent that he can’t even so much as take a leak without a Majority Vote by the Rabbinic Council, not to mention outright LOSING a debate to Rabbis, who religious leaders or not are STILL mere mortals compared to Him, an omnipotent and more importantly omniscient individual who in reality would have outright CREAMED those Rabbis in a debate to such an extent that they’d be huddled in a corner crying and deeply broken, not celebrate that they defeated him. I would have thought that you guys would have at LEAST had enough respect for God the Father to NOT try to make him into a weakling despite, no, precisely BECAUSE He’s an omnipotent and omniscient being. In other words, God would never even conceive the possibility of being defeated by ANYONE, let alone admit to it. But no, you guys couldn’t even do that. I’m actually quite surprised Nicholas Dorin didn’t expose THAT passage to the heads of the Church at the time, or at the very least the Church heads didn’t focus on that passage, because I certainly thought that passage was objectively worse than their making Mary out to be a whore and Jesus the son of a centurion who’s boiling in hot excrement. All I can say is, if I were in God’s position, and you guys pulled that crap on me at Mt. Sinai... well, let’s just say I’d decide AGAINST making you guys the Chosen People after that. Probably act like Kefka here: https://youtu.be/I-cdwDnryY0?t=123
And if anyone wants to find this passage, this link has it, and it’s helmed by a Rabbi, no less: http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/salafi/RabbiDebateGodAndGodAdmitsDefeat.htm
Besides, when the likes of Rabbis Harry Waton and S. Wise outright stating that Marxist revolution was fully in line with the precepts of Rabbinic doctrine, the latter stating it specifically in The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935, that alone leaves Rabbinism to be suspect. Bear in mind that Marxism was created specifically to recreate the WORST aspects of the French Revolution and make it even gorier.
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