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[Catholic Caucu] Is it a virtuous act of obedience to receive Communion in hand at bishop’s command?
LifeSite News ^ | September 8, 2020 | Joseph shaw

Posted on 09/10/2020 4:40:51 PM PDT by ebb tide

Is it a virtuous act of obedience to receive Communion in hand at bishop’s command? 

The argument that reception of Holy Communion in the hand is an exercise of the virtue of obedience, and therefore a source of graces, is problematic.

September 8, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – J.D. Flynn, editor at Catholic News Service, has told his Twitter followers:

Every time I go to Mass it is hard for me to receive in the hand.

Every time I go to Mass, I have to say consciously, “He is the bishop, and you’re not, Flynn.”

That’s been an incredible source of grace. Obedience has been more fruitful for me than any devotion could be.

Mr. Flynn’s argument here is that his reception of Holy Communion in the hand is an exercise of the virtue of obedience, and therefore a source of graces. This is problematic for a number of reasons.

Most obviously, no bishop’s guidelines say that Catholics are obliged to receive at all. Catholics are, in normal times, obliged to receive Holy Communion once a year. Frequent reception of Holy Communion is recommended by the Church for Catholics in a state of grace, but here and now other factors are in play. Some Catholics in this situation have chosen not to receive at all for this period of time. Others have found priests, perhaps on the other side of diocesan boundaries, willing to distribute on the tongue, which of course is perfectly legal.

Consider a parallel. Mr. Flynn finds himself in a place for an extended period of time where Holy Communion is available only from priests who are not in Communion with the Pope. It is available, but there is this other factor in play. Would it be ridiculous to abstain? Of course not. The reception of Holy Communion is not obligatory, and it not immediately necessary to our salvation. Many of our Catholic predecessors received only once a year, and I don’t think the present generation is going to be so terribly superior to them on the Day of Judgment. If one can only receive under the condition that one do something it would be better one not do, then that is a serious consideration. Readers may like to consider other examples. Suppose Nazis insisted we kiss a copy of Mein Kampf before going up. Suppose pagans insisted we trample on a crucifix. What do you do? It’s not a terrible dilemma. You don’t go up to Communion, but sit tight in your pew.

I can hear Mr. Flynn and his supporters say these are silly parallels, and it’s not like that at all. They must however argue for this: they must argue that reception in the hand is no big deal. That’s something Mr. Flynn is extremely reluctant to do, and I’m not going to help him out here. But even if he comes up with an argument, it is not going to be an argument about obedience. Obedience has got nothing to do with it.

Let’s think some more about those episcopal guidelines. Do they actually impose any kind of obligation on Catholics in a diocese? No, they do not, for two reasons. One is that such documents are only binding as a matter of Church law if they are framed as a proper decree, something which bishops very rarely bother to do. The other is that even if they did do this, they would fail to bind anyone in this case, because they do not have the power to forbid the reception of Holy Communion on the Tongue. The right to receive on the tongue is explicitly guaranteed by the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (for the reformed Mass) in §160. Bishops simply do not have the authority to overturn this.

Is it an exercise of the virtue of obedience to obey a directive which exceeds the authority of the person giving it? No, because this would not be a genuine law. One can’t preen oneself on one’s obedience to fake laws. Obeying them is not a way to build up a virtue pertaining to respect for real authority.

There is scope for obedience here, however. What many Catholics have decided on this issue is that there is a precept with normative force at issue here. It is the force of the uninterrupted tradition of the Western Church for more than a thousand years. This is telling us that to receive on the tongue is more reverent and fitting. We need not insist that this custom creates a strict legal obligation, but just that it has some weight. 

This is not an argument about canon law, but the Church is more than canon law. Traditions like this one convey to us the wisdom of centuries of Catholic practice. They are normative, action-guiding, in a deep sense, and command respect even from law more narrowly defined. As a matter of fact, that Holy Communion should only be received on the tongue remains the law of the Church: it can be permitted in the hand only by a dispensation, an exception to the law: see Memoriale Domini (1968).

Our question is whether to exercise the virtue of obedience in maintaining that tradition and law, perhaps in difficult circumstances, perhaps heroically. This would truly be an exercise of the virtue of obedience.


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Our question is whether to exercise the virtue of obedience in maintaining that tradition and law, perhaps in difficult circumstances, perhaps heroically. This would truly be an exercise of the virtue of obedience.
1 posted on 09/10/2020 4:40:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/10/2020 4:41:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

In the traditional Mass, Communion in the hand is not permitted. Our priests (FSSP) have informed us if Communion according to the rubrics is not allowed, there will be no public Communion. Our Bishop has been good in many ways, and he has given us no problem in this regard.


3 posted on 09/10/2020 4:47:46 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: ebb tide
Wasn't there a mystic who said those who receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the hand will have blackened hands in heaven? If they get there.
4 posted on 09/10/2020 4:51:55 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: ebb tide

Our priests say, “We cannot deny communion on the tongue to those who request it, according to Canon Law.’ Everybody at the mass we attend kneels and takes it on the tongue.


5 posted on 09/10/2020 5:20:37 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: ebb tide

I refuse to accept Communion in the hand!!!


6 posted on 09/10/2020 7:06:50 PM PDT by bantam
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To: ebb tide

Makes me wonder how many people received the Eucharist on the tongue from guys like McCarrick who was afforded another kind of that “virtue of obedience....“


7 posted on 09/10/2020 7:33:22 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (His mother said to the servants..DO whatever HE tells you.)
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To: blackpacific

Wasn’t there a mystic who said those who receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the hand will have blackened hands in heaven? If they get there.
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Does that mean that black people who receive in the hand will have whitened hands in heaven? What nonsense!


8 posted on 09/10/2020 7:37:04 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: ebb tide
Mr. Flynn’s argument here is that his reception of Holy Communion in the hand is an exercise of the virtue of obedience, and therefore a source of graces. This is problematic for a number of reasons.

Being as how it's actually inappropriate to receive Communion in the hand, does this guy think it would be somewhat ok to lie, cheat, or steal just because a priest or bishop said it was ok for a couple weeks?
9 posted on 09/11/2020 7:02:15 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

You might be right, I could not find the source.

Here is something more down to earth on the subject:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/former-ewtn-news-president-survives-covid-19-says-virus-is-chastisement-for-our-irreverence-at-mass

If you click on the link you will see what Dan Burke has to say about his near death experience with Covid-1984 as it relates to communion in the hand.


10 posted on 09/12/2020 10:33:55 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/former-ewtn-news-president-survives-covid-19-says-virus-is-chastisement-for-our-irreverence-at-mass

the meat of what Dan says starts at the 12 minute mark.


11 posted on 09/12/2020 10:39:22 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Scrap that last link. This is a better interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8xO_oNeFoI


12 posted on 09/12/2020 10:51:45 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: ebb tide
Questions for canon lawyers and whoever: Did Jesus hand feed the Apostles during the Passover meal Himself into the mouth of each and every one?

Did the Apostles after Pentecost hand fed Communion in the mouth of those who received each and every time?

Primary sources please.

13 posted on 09/12/2020 11:04:39 PM PDT by rollo tomasi
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