Posted on 09/07/2020 7:14:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You said you did not necessarily accept Paul’s word as God’s word
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Is “Paul’s word” an assertion that one might freely sin (after sincerely affirming one’s faith in Jesus Christ) without repentance and still see the face of God? There seems to be no small group of people who believes that is Paul’s view.
Do you not believe that Paul wrote Scripture under the leading of the Holy Spirit?
Or do you think Paul just made up what he wrote and did so knowing that he was (allegedly) contradicting Jesus?
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him,“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
John 20:30-31 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Acts 16:27-31 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
That's your rule. You make repentance a precondition. God doesn't.
Paul's writings are not *part of Scripture*. They ARE Scripture*,
Also, you reject the God breathed Holy Spirit inspired Scripture that Paul wrote and yet look to *other* sources of authority?
That's rich.
Like what other sources of authority do we have that are definitively recognized as Truth on par with Scripture?
We are to call sin out where we see it and flee from it. Yes we still sin but sin should never. e “celebrated” as it is in some “churches”. I agree we do a terrible job if this for the most part
Our salvation is not based on our ability to or actual repentance of a specific sin. That's a works based salvation.
Our salvation is based on what Jesus did for us on the cross and that is that He paid for ALL our sins, past, present, and future.
The entire record of our sin debt that stood against us was nailed to the cross and God dealt with it there when Jesus took it on Himself.
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
We ALL freely sin.
ALL sin is a choice for the believer.
Nobody forces the believer to sin.
So yes, even if we sin after salvation, it does NOT cost us our salvation or place in heaven. We do not have to repent of every last specific sin to get into heaven.
God is not a petty nit-picky tyrant sitting up there keeping account of every misdeed so he can throw us in hell cause we didn't do what some religions think we should.
Repentance is not just turning from sin.
Anyone can turn from sin.
It's the turning to Christ that's the important part and that's where the repentance comes in
We are changing how we think about Christ
Repentance is not simply *God, I'm sorry for my sin and I promise not to do it again.*
It trusting in Christ to save us and not ourselves, which is what we are doing when we make the focus of repentance on our *repenting* from sin to save us.
Like what other sources of authority do we have that are definitively recognized as Truth on par with Scripture?
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Tradition, of course. The very earliest scripture was not even written until between 60-70 AD. There may have existed some written parables prior to that, but we no longer have them. A lot of scripture was written well after that. So, if no scripture existed (especially in the early decades), they obviously did NOT use scripture as a source of authority.
The Bible itself was not even codified until Nicea in 325 AD. There were whole centuries of Christian practice with only partial pieces of scripture her and there.
Them’s the facts.
Scripture is divinely inspired, but one must look at the totality of scripture along with Christian practice from the very earliest period of Christian practice.
Oh hey, look who’s back declaring from on high what he knows for a fact what Protestants believe.
Not only is your definition of “sola scriptura” a strawman, but it’s a strawman that you continue to prop up after being corrected many, many times.
Stop using strawmen, ADSUM! If Catholicism really is as great as you claim it is, you can defend it without using strawman arguments!
Tradition, of course.
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Prove it.
So yes, even if we sin after salvation, it does NOT cost us our salvation or place in heaven. We do not have to repent of every last specific sin to get into heaven.
God is not a petty nit-picky tyrant sitting up there keeping account of every misdeed so he can throw us in hell cause we didn’t do what some religions think we should.
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I’m not talking about every last nit-picky sin. You tell your husband he looks great even though he’s a little portly...meh...it’s a white lie meant to boost his self esteem.
You hire a hitman to shoot your husband between the eyes in order to collect life insurance, repentance is necessary.
Prove it.
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You go first. Prove that Scripture alone is the sole basis of authority. Explain how it was authority between, say 33AD (when Christ died) until 325 AD when the Bible was compiled. And especially explain how it was authority in the decades before Paul even wrote his very first letter (which not all Christians even had).
The reason we have stopped going to our church is because three girls who attend the same church bullied our daughter and nothing was done about it. We were offered the chance to let our daughter go to a Sunday school class for older kids or let her go “help” in the nursery during Sunday school. My husband has spoken to the regional office for the Presbyterian Church trying to find our what their policy on bullying is but he’s gotten the runaround so far.
So the author states that his Christian daughter of 19 has an Instagram account that routinely gets hit on. Sometimes vigorously to the point she has to examine the people carefully and in detail. Maybe he should examine the behavior and message she is Putting out via instagram. His message and drama sounds exactly like what a 19 year old girl likes to talk about. This is from experience.
One of “many” was a youth pastor. Expose him or not but don’t let it go. Challenge sin. I would not paint so broadly that his or her behavior indictes the body of the church. Maybe it does. But he needs to take a look at the message his daughter is putting out before writing this type of long winded self absorption.
What a surprise.
The very earliest scripture was not even written until between 60-70 AD. There may have existed some written parables prior to that, but we no longer have them. A lot of scripture was written well after that. So, if no scripture existed (especially in the early decades), they obviously did NOT use scripture as a source of authority.
What a bunch of nonsense.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The earliest copies of the NT that we have are not the originals. Those were lost, or deliberately destroyed, and the claim that nothing was written down until Roman Catholicism came in to save the day, and voila, tradition now = Scripture is nothing more that a bogus power grab for Catholicism to usurp Scripture.
Also, the entire OT was already written down and widely circulated so Catholicism's claims to authoring that is even more bogus.
And here we have Paul telling the Colossian church this......Colossians 4:15-16 Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.
IOW, Paul's epistles were circulating at the time he was still alive, which proves that Catholicism's claims to giving us Scripture and relying on tradition until much later, was a complete lie fabricated by those within Catholicism who wanted to be on par with God.
Only in human economy.
James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
In God's economy, sin is sin and ALL sin damns and ALL sin needed the death of Jesus to deal with.
All Adam and Eve did was eat a piece of fruit and that was enough for sin to enter the world and damn them.
Y'all don't realize that it's not the magnitude of the sin as measured by human standards. It's the holy God even the tiniest sin violates and disobeys.
So *big* (in human terms) and *small* (in human terms), makes no difference because both sins are committed against the same God and what makes it sin is not the sin itself, but the disobedience against God that ANY sin is.
Why?
He asked first.
And now you’re sending him on some rabbit trail hoping to distract him and get off topic?
Why don’t you just up and straight out answer?
Is it because you can’t and by throwing the ball back into his court, maybe you’re hoping he’ll forget about it?
We’ve seen that tactic played way too many times to fall for it. *You answer first and then I will*, and it never happens. Not buying what you’re selling today.
That’s reprehensible.
My kids have had their share of watching the bullies get away with it and they’re just expected to sit back and take it, and if they object, THEY are the bad guys and not being *forgiving*.
And the bully gets away with a smirk on his face to do it again later and to others.
I’m sick of it.
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