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But being an orthodox Catholic who for nearly his whole life has been a parishioner of a diocesan parish that was ripped apart early and often by modernist interlopers bent on singing a new church into existence in the…

Well that’s good to hear. Schismatics are in grave sin and error. I know many people feel they are an answer, but they are no more an answer than Luther was.....

I was curious as to the perspective of your post because many schismatics point to Viganò for exoneration and justification..... The current Pope certainly has disappointed. But. Learn the Church through its history... not the false voices of the burn- it- all-down crowd. Debate is healthy, revealed truth is what the Church survives on. But would you put other post-Vat 2 Popes in that same box with Pope Francis? I would hope not.....only the most self-righteous and misguided extremist would find fault with JP2 as a spiritual leader in this world. When he wore the Robe.

26 posted on 09/02/2020 10:07:40 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: MurphsLaw

What’s good to hear, Murph?

That a fellow Catholic has suffered for more than half a century with pathetically poor pastors?

That is NOT good to hear.

Shame on you.


28 posted on 09/02/2020 11:53:21 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: MurphsLaw; one guy in new jersey
I was curious as to the perspective of your post because many schismatics point to Viganò for exoneration and justification.....

And many modernists point to Bishop Barron for excuses to sin, based on the hope that Hell could very well be empty.

31 posted on 09/03/2020 7:39:02 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw

“Learn the Church through its history.”

That box is checked already, Murph.

The past 100 years experience with the synthesis of all heresies has shown what needs to be done.

“Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.”

a.k.a.,

...extra Ecclesiam nulla salus...

[From traditioninaction.com:
In the aftermath of Vatican II many studies were made to explain the consequences of the conciliar documents. One of these was the book La Fine della Chiesa come Societa Perfetta [The End of the Church as a Perfect Society]. The work was composed of 13 articles by authors with a progressivist point-of-view regarding how the Church should change to be inserted in the evolution of the world.

Joseph Ratzinger was one of the progressivist theologians who gave his opinion. He wrote two articles for this book. In one of them Ratzinger takes as a consumate fact that the dogma “extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” [there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church] changed. Without presenting any argument he considered that the dogma doesn’t make sense when compared to the modern geographic discoveries that “prove” that the world has millions of years, instead of the 4,000 years of the biblical history. He implies that it cannot be true that all the people that lived during these millions of years were not saved. Based solely on this imaginary “evidence” of the disputable modern discoveries, Ratzinger considers it obsolete to defend the mentioned Catholic dogma. No argument was presented. He jumped over it and went on to investigate the future of the Church without the dogma “extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.”]

This is it, Murph. The destination. The One True Faith. I don’t know about you, but I’m expecting company. A lot of it. Very soon. You might want to help us clean the place up a bit.


32 posted on 09/03/2020 8:54:11 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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