[ebb tide]

Well and truly said! Was the Church ever referred to in that manner at any time prior to the Satan Council debacle?

No, never. Up until 1965, it was always and everywhere the Catholic Church.

The wicked modernists now refer to something they call the "conciliar" church, something foreign.

[MurphsLaw]

You’re being ignorant.... and I don’t mean that as invective....to ignore the Church in its genius as guided by the Holy Spirit through the centuries is folly..... modernist.... gimme a dang break.... the Council of Jerusalem AD 50.... y3ah that was a modern one.....and Nicea .....sheesh it seems l8ke only yesterday.....

The fact that the Church has endured 2000 years to this day is a testament to the councils...in which the Church is guided by councils....AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE so by councils......so you may not like the term and the definition of conciliar ( Websters- : of, relating to, OR issued by a council ) But playing the Doesn’t exist pretend game here doesn’t change the historical nature of the Church formed by council for centuries....

C’Mon man !

Ecumenical councils recognized by both Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics are: First Council of Nicaea (325)

First Council of Constantinople (381)

Council of Ephesus (431)

Council of Chalcedon (451)

Second Council of Constantinople (553)

Third Council of Constantinople (680–681)

Second Council of Nicaea (787)

Those recognized by Roman Catholics are:

Fourth Council of Constantinople

(869–870) First Lateran Council (1123)

Second Lateran Council (1139)

Third Lateran Council (1179)

Fourth Lateran Council (1215)

First Council of Lyon (1245)

Second Council of Lyon (1274)

Council of Vienne (1311–12)

Council of Constance (1414–18)

Council of Ferrara-Florence

(1438–c. 1445)

Fifth Lateran Council (1512–17)

Council of Trent (1545–63)

First Vatican Council (1869–70)

Second Vatican Council (1962–65)