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Mary and Jesus More Closely Related than we may have Thought.. Holy DNA !
Defenders of the Catholic Faith Ministry ^ | 8-21-2020 | Steve Ray

Posted on 08/26/2020 1:41:57 PM PDT by MurphsLaw

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To: Nifster
Mitochondrial DNA What’s your point

Well it’s not “my” point.... But I did not know about this cell transference discovery.... where the Pregnant Mother and child have a shared Cellular bond... Did you about this medical deal?

So we have to decide.....Either this is true - or it isn’t.....
If it’s true.... than implications are as stated in the post.... which obviously no one wants to discuss....if not true, move along.

The article doesn’t mention the Assumption of Mary.... but if she was buried on earth, than some cells from Christ would have been buried with Her.... which ALL of Christ you would think ascended to Heaven.....
Conversely.....her cells were then cruciifed with Jesus on the Cross...

For those who write Mary off - no big deal..... for those who see Mary As the New Eve, as the Virgin who does say yes to the Garden.....this is huuuuge......
81 posted on 08/26/2020 6:38:22 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: MurphsLaw
As a Protestant, I thought Mary was non-essential and not important.

Then you were wrong, while claiming to be a "Protestant" can mean everything from being a Scientologist to a Baptist. Meanwhile although Mary was not a Catholic but had an essential role as a holy, pious, virtuous Spirit-filled praying mothering instrument of God, and was created thru Christ, yet the Holy Spirit provides little about her, and speaks far far more about the labor and sacrifice of others, esp. Paul, whom Catholics comparatively minimize.

Catholics made too big a deal of Mary. Boy, was I wrong.

You were and are wrong. We are not to think of morals above that which is written, (1 Co. 4:6) but which Caths exceedingly do in the case of their contrived Mary.

82 posted on 08/26/2020 6:39:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Texas_Guy

Have you ever heard of a meeting where people invoke dead people to intervene on someone’s behalf?

It’s called a seance.

But that doesn’t answer the question. Why Mary instead of praying with other physically present people? And why not directly to God?


83 posted on 08/26/2020 6:41:47 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: MurphsLaw
Uh, I believe Jesus was talking to John.

25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

John 19:25-27

84 posted on 08/26/2020 6:42:49 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: daniel1212

What unmitigated balderdash.

Catholicism puts Mary above God and yet Catholics deny it.


85 posted on 08/26/2020 6:46:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: MurphsLaw
Worshipping Mary instead of God IS a MORTAL sin- a Commandment breaker... Catholics worship God, through Christ's Redemption, at every Mass..

And while Catholics imagine by playing word games (we only give latreia to God) they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship. For worship is not described by just one word, but by others as well, and as said, ascribing to Mary adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), and kneeling/bowing down before a statue representing her and beseeching her for Heavenly help and making offerings to her would be considered blasphemy and idolatry in Scripture.

86 posted on 08/26/2020 6:47:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: MurphsLaw
for those who see Mary As the New Eve, as the Virgin who does say yes to the Garden.....

Mary says *yes* to the Garden?

What kind of nonsense is that all about.

And here I thought I had heard everything.

87 posted on 08/26/2020 6:48:15 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: metmom
Why is it such a problem for Catholicism and Catholics if Mary had sex with Joseph and Jesus had half brothers and sisters through Mary as a result?

Why is it such a problem for those who , ok dismiss Mary being visited by an Angel SENT BY GOD- like that is happening all the time.....but have such a hard time understanding that Joseph- WHO WAS MUCH OLDER and would absolutety could have had children from a previous marriage. Show me in the Bible where it says Joseph couldn’t have children from a first marriage......

+++” For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."+++
88 posted on 08/26/2020 6:49:36 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: Bayard

You going to answer my question in post 37?


89 posted on 08/26/2020 6:50:48 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: crusty old prospector

And the provision was for Mary not for John. He was to care for Mary. it the other way around


90 posted on 08/26/2020 6:50:52 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: metmom

Still waiting for a reply.


91 posted on 08/26/2020 6:51:15 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: MurphsLaw

Why aren’t you answering any of my questions?


92 posted on 08/26/2020 6:52:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: MurphsLaw

Oh baloney. Christ’s. dare was pulled out prior to His crucifixion. Do you think those hairs lying on the ground mean all of Christ is not in Heaven? please


93 posted on 08/26/2020 6:54:19 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: MurphsLaw
Why is it such a problem for those who , ok dismiss Mary being visited by an Angel SENT BY GOD-

Who's dismissing that Mary was visited by an angel sent by God? Could you please provide the post number?

.but have such a hard time understanding that Joseph- WHO WAS MUCH OLDER and would absolutety could have had children from a previous marriage. Show me in the Bible where it says Joseph couldn’t have children from a first marriage......

Show me Scripture to support your claims that A) Joseph was much older, B) that he had been previously married, and C)he had children from a previous marriage.

You are making the claim. It's therefore your responsibility to convince someone with proofs that your claim is valid.

94 posted on 08/26/2020 6:58:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: Mom MD
The rationalizations Catholic go through to justify their doctrines are unbelievable.

Reality is stranger than fiction because if someone made up claims about Catholics like that, they'd rightly be laughed at.

And yet here we are, seeing Catholics claim that Mary had to be assumed so that all of Jesus' cells would get to heaven.

95 posted on 08/26/2020 7:01:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: Mom MD
The rationalizations Catholic go through to justify their doctrines are unbelievable.

Reality is stranger than fiction because if someone made up claims about Catholics like that, they'd rightly be laughed at.

And yet here we are, seeing Catholics claim that Mary had to be assumed so that all of Jesus' cells would get to heaven.

I feel like we have entered the Twilight Zone.

96 posted on 08/26/2020 7:01:39 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: MurphsLaw
Conversely.....her cells were then cruciifed with Jesus on the Cross...

So you're now saying that Mary was crucified on the cross with Jesus?

And are you now saying that since Catholics say she was sinless, like Jesus, and that she was crucified on the cross with Christ, that she can save just like Jesus does?

That would indeed make her the deity that Catholics claim they don't make her.

I guess then that when Jesus said this....

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

since Jesus doesn't lie, He must have forgotten to mention Mary. An oversight on His part perhaps?

97 posted on 08/26/2020 7:06:15 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: metmom

ok this is weird and just one person’s opinion but I have never heard as many rationalizations as I searched for a good Protestant or Christian based church. Scriptures taken out of context,some claimed literally, those they don’t like skipped or denied, I mean holy cow there are only thousands of Christian or Protestant churches, none of who agree with each other , many started in the last 100 years and all putting their own spin on Scripture.

And weird theories-no end of them,heard reincarnation, new messiah, pastors claiming they are the new John the Baptist, that they are entitled to our tithes, drugs ok if you believe, and of course lots endorse pro-abortion candidates because it is not up to them to say abortion might be wrong, so Catholics don’t have weird cornered


98 posted on 08/26/2020 7:11:24 PM PDT by TECTopcat (e)
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To: MurphsLaw

The Body Who Ascended was not the same body put in the rock hewn tomb. Have you not read 1 Cor 15:51-54 or 1 Thess 4:13-17? Have you not read that flesh and blood cannot inherit Heaven? Your reasoning is a bit off tonight.


99 posted on 08/26/2020 7:12:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MurphsLaw; Mom MD; metmom; daniel1212; ealgeone; Mark17; boatbums; Luircin

“Worshiping ANYONE else is a grave SIN!’

I keep asking this and not one of you rc’s will answer.
So tell me the difference.

rcc’s pray to Mary and their god
rcc’s bow to Mary and their god
rcc’s kneel to Mary and their god
rcc’s offer sacrifice to Mary and their god
rcc’s serve Mary and their god
rcc’s get grace from Mary and from their god

I’ll be waiting...


100 posted on 08/26/2020 7:14:46 PM PDT by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-11 it's that simple)
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