Heaven and Earth Meet: ‘Fatima’ Brings the Miraculous to the Big Screen

National Catholic Register ^ | 8-24-2020 | Joseph Pronechen

[MurphsLaw]

New film highlights the enduring message of Our Lady.

Fatima is a beautiful, moving film. Who can resist a story about a Mother come from heaven to help a straying world and tell her prodigal children exactly how and why they need to get back to their Father to bring peace?

While the Blessed Mother’s appearance at Fatima and the “Miracle of the Sun” happened 103 years ago and since then has become known to tens of millions of people, the film’s appeal stretches across boundaries. Fatima devotees, nominal Catholics, non-Catholics and those who aren’t religiously oriented will find something to consider in this film.

Fatima is not a remake of the 1952 film The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima.

This Fatima elicits an unmistakable realism, putting viewers into the fields of Portugal and a village where the clock has “stopped” — bringing to life the hamlet of Aljustrel and the Cova da Iria, where Servant of God Lucia and the Santos family, and Sts. Jacinto and Francisco and the Marto family, lived in 1917.

What happened in Fatima more than a century ago is presented in flashbacks recalled by an elderly Sister Lucia, now a Carmelite nun, in the movie. The character of Professor Nichols, played by Harvey Keitel, is a well-known nonbeliever in supernatural events who visits the Fatima seer at her monastery in Coimbra. Nichols is writing a book on such phenomena and wants to hear firsthand what she experienced because, as he admits, there are events surrounding Fatima that are unexplainable.

Both respect each other, though their reactions to apparitions differ: Nichols admits something happened at Fatima while Lucia knows it did. The convent grill that separates them physically also symbolically separates their different ideas.

[Mom MD]

Too bad you can’t see these apparitions take away from Jesus. Mary i. these apparitions specifically asks for devotion to herself and praying the rosary which is full of prayers to Mary. Why is Jesus never enough?

[353FMG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1f_9_TGlpI

In the End Times, many will be glad that this Woman will soften Her Son’s Judgment

[353FMG]

Even Thomas the Apostle looked for a Sign. You ain’t no Thomas and neither am I)
Freepers look for signs every time they request prayers for healing.(oh boy, have we been inundated, lately)
I may be wicked but not adulterous. My wickedness is much more sublime. ;)

[353FMG]

It’s a dogma of the Catholic Church defined in 1854 as a result of an apparition that took place in Rue du Bac in Paris, France in 1830. The visionairy was St Catherine
Laboure whose body is fully preserved after death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu08Msou00o

[BereanBrain]

Thomas was NOT commended for looking for a sign. He was chastised. But Jesus blessed those in who believed WITHOUT a sign.

John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

[ladyjane]

The enduring message of Our Lady???

The church has refused to reveal the third message. Maybe it’s because of the rot in the church?

[353FMG]

I like the “chastisement” Thomas got. I’ll take it any day. There was no threat or malice in it.

[MurphsLaw]

asks for devotion to herself and praying the rosary which is full of prayers to Mary.

Prayers to Mary?
“Hail Mary, full of Grace....Pray for US sinners... now,, and at the hour of our death”...(so no, not praying TO Mary)

Why is Jesus never enough?

Then WHY did Jesus Feel the need to Leave us with a Church if he felt we didn’t need one?

+++ 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”…+++

[Mom MD]

The church is built on Jesus not Peter. It is Peters confession of Jesus that Christ is referring to. In the very next verse Jesus refers to Peter as satan....

[MurphsLaw]

You did not answer my question.
Why?

[Glad2bnuts]

Yes, but Christians are not Marys prodigal children. She needed saving just as much as I did, otherwise why would Father God have needed to have a sinless savior? It just irks me, that Christians are told not to judge, yet some judge that others are so perfect they are Saints and are crowned as such by imperfect humans.

[Glad2bnuts]

How do I know if she did or didn’t? How does anyone else?

[Glad2bnuts]

It was a great catch. I know that Mary was chosen to bring Christ to this world. I also know that she had other children, James for 1. She was not sinless, all but Jesus the Christ committed sin and needed to be saved.

[jacknhoo]

This is good article on it:

https://m.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/scripture-through-an-angel-reveals-that-mary-was-sinless

And, as far as I am concerned, I know in my heart, this sums it up. Mary, is the new Eve:

“In a very simple sense, the Immaculate Conception is God giving Mary the grace to be as sinless and innocent as Eve originally was, a thing quite fitting and not at all strange or implausible for one chosen to bear the Lord God in her own body.“

This is a good history on it:

https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/teachings/history-of-the-doctrine-of-the-immaculate-conception-117

[Mom MD]

Christians (except for maybe Jesus brothers and sisters) are not Mary’s children at all. God is our Father, Mary is at best a saved brother or sister in the Lord. Nowhere in the Bible is she called mother of anyone but Jesus and her other children. Also nowhere in the Bible is she called sinless. In fact the Bible emphatically says all have sinned - not all except Mary have sinned.

[MurphsLaw]

Nowhere in the Bible is she called mother of anyone but Jesus and her other children.

Goodness !!
You guys are supposed to be the Bible experts???

What other Children?
Why did Christ command John to look after Mary from the Cross (which is why we shouldn't dismiss Mary so easily either) - and which he actually said to the one who "Loved him" - "Behold your Mother"... THATS THE PRODIGAL PART.. so whose Mother is she then until she dies -John's?? because of course in Jewish law The Eldest NATURAL BORN Son would of had THAT RESPONSIBILTY to take Mary in...and would then take care of her - so there really wasnt any need for Jesus to utter those words- in his last dying breaths - "Behold Your Mother" -- now would there be that need?
You see the tangle you are in....

And for translating the Bible to fit your views - which is a human thing yes - but verses identifying siblings- most likely Joseph's children ... have also need to be taken into context of what Jesus had taught his Apostles....

Mark 3:35 +++"For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

We forget sometimes the Jesus was God, made man, The Incarnation.

And yes... All born with original sin have sinned... Obviously a child - born of original - and too young to have knowingly sinned - is not a sinner except for Eve's sin.

You would have us believe then -that Christ was born with sin... because we do know now, genetically, the micro cellular transference of body between Mother and Child - there would be no way for Mary's biological pregnancy to NOT have transferred that sin into the baby Jesus - as Eve does for us... Now if Christ was indeed sinless.... Mary could not have birthed him.. Unless she was full of Grace- favored by God.... who can do pretty much what he wants...even if its not in the book....

The Family structure is God's creation - that's what the Garden was all about with Adam AND EVE...the Family - Man - Woman - Child.... Father/Mother/Child -

[MurphsLaw]

Why is Jesus never enough?

Why did Jesus promise to build his Church on earth then- to bind and loose- as the Apostles did?

Why did he promise to send us the Holy Spirit then... if ALL we needed was Jesus??

Your missing the fullness of the truth....

[MurphsLaw]

How do I know if she did or didn’t? How does anyone else?

The question I asked was .... Do you believe in Fatima ?

Not if it is documented- (which it was)

There are many who say the Bible is made up, and have no way of knowing if the stories are true or even happened - even the Synoptic Gospels have variation... sure there is Josephus and some other mentions.... but how do you know its all true?? How do you know the Cana miracle- where Mary tells the Son of God... OK times up Jesus- get to work !!! (Did she KNOW he could change the Water into Wine??? ... Why do we believe about the account of the Last Supper??

It is our Faith to believe that which we cannot touch...or as St. Paul put it ....

7 For we live by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Always give Faith a Chance.... when you do not want to believe ask yourself- Why?
Remember- for God is a mysterious God...

[Texas_Guy]

Absolutely not. If that was the case then why did he change his name? And change his name to mean rock?

Abraham, the father of the nation of Israel, and Elijah, the greatest of the prophets, both had their names changed by God. They are instrumental in the Jewish faith. Heck God is referred to as the god of ABRAHAM, Issac and Jacob.

Protestants use that argument to justify the rebellion of Luther. If the church was founded on Peter then it’s obvious rebellion against the successors of Peter and his church.

And founding a church on a statement is not what Jesus said. Not at all.

[MurphsLaw]

And founding a church on a statement is not what Jesus said. Not at all.

And St. Paul certainly didn't set out building the Church in the way he did... using Peter's "confession"... as the main theme...

Which I never understood the "confession" attachment to the Rock discourse... Its glossed over when read - but it IS of a major significance -- that Christ purposefully POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS GOD whom had REVEALED TO PETER !!! WHO Christ was (You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”).

Peter really didn't come up with it on his own - as if it was a personally inspired "confession".... but its thought of as his thinking....not so... He was stating FACT !
I want to know why God is revealing things to Peter alone- and no one else....