Posted on 08/21/2020 2:36:52 PM PDT by ebb tide
The good book is clear how this turns out and the recent Yale study affirms how they reach the destination. At this time there is 65%-70% of people who are eager & willing to get the vaccine. Then they employ the psyops to force a significant portion of those still refusing to accept it; companies will no longer allow people who refuse the vaccine to work for them or on site depending on position. Those who then remain will be forced to wear masks identifying them to everyone. The Yale study then showed how to promulgate the masses to insult & discriminate against those still refusing by saying they’re stupid and insensitive to the plights of others. Then those who still refuse shall be beheaded. I have longed believed the current pope Francis to be the false prophet described in the book of Revelation so these statements of his - to *start* - are not surprising and rather expected at this time under these circumstances. The world has changed and it’s not going back. Maranatha!
I’ll die first. Or, those trying to force me will. My choice.
I won’t comply. Will you try to force us?
I don’t take advice from communists pretending to be Catholic.
A Catholic Pope is supposed to talk about Church affairs, Dogma, faith and comfort those in pain.
A Catholic Pope has NO BUSINESS TALKING, DEMANDING, SUGGESTING ANY THING ELSE.
That is a normal Catholic Pope. This Francis is hardly normal. He should be ignored since he prefers not to talk about Catholicism...alone.
You are correct regarding remote material cooperation. Most Catholics are unaware of this principle in Catholic morality.
“Is the Pope Catholic?” is no longer a rhetorical question.
But is there a "proportionately serious reason to do so" when the vaccine does come out? Check out Christoper Ferrara's graphics in the article below.
MASK DELUSION: Why that useless piece of cloth on your face means the end of civil society
Here's just one example:
Pope Francis, the UN and WHO are milking this scamdemic.
Finally, how many various vaccines will be finally available? Will we have a choice? And if it's one, single NWO universal vaccine, who makes that decision? Bill Gates?
But did he say the vaccine should not be derived from the fetal stem cell lines of aborted babies?
I ask because several vaccines are being developed without those cell lines. And the Francis doesn't seem to care. He seems to leave the final decision up to WHO, the same organization who tried to cover-up for China as being the source.
Francis can have it.
Christianity deserves better.
Are you OK with the above? Is there any difference between cannibalism and the utilization of murdered human babies to preserve one's life?
Canessa recalls that he had “already done things that I never in my darkest nightmares imagined I’d have to do” — and he knew he had to do them again.
“And so we took yet another step in the descent towards our ultimate indignity: to eat the body of the person lying next to us. Each of us would have to be stained with this blood if we were to keep the seed of life from withering.”
Measles and mumps both have FDA approved alternatives which were developed using ethical cell lines. Just Rubella that doesn’t have one approved for use in the US. Japan has one available, but it isn’t approved here.
For Catholics, the governing document around vaccines and fetal stem cells is here: https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm
The gist is you have a moral and ethical responsibility to see out vaccines which have not used fetal stem cells in their development. If such a vaccine is not yet available, you must weigh the greater good (is this a vaccine for something that has a high prevalence in your region and is the particular medical risk to you and your loved ones such that not getting it would present a grave danger?) If taking the problematic vaccine prevents a greater harm to you or your family, you are permitted to do so, but then your responsibility becomes advocating for an ethical alternative to be developed, produced, and approved for use.
Strawman argument. “Comply” implies requirement, and I have never advocated for such a thing. You should always make your own decision about what is best for your own personal health and for that of your family.
The information I provided about ethical alternatives was to help inform those who would prefer to have a vaccine available, but who also take issue with the use of fetal stem cells in the development of some vaccines. Would you prefer that those who choose to take an ethically produced vaccine NOT have the option to do so?
First, some context: not everyone else CAN receive vaccines. Many cancer patients, for instance, can't have vaccines because their immune system is so completely destroyed that it a) would do them no good and b) could cause severe reactions because of the specifics of how their cancer treatment is affecting their body. Anyone with an autoimmune disorder may be unable to take them. Pregnant women can't take them. Children under certain ages can't take certain vaccines. Every single medicine ever developed has SOME people who can't take it. Vaccines are no different.
Now, if everyone else except you, plus everyone else who objects to taking it, plus everyone else who CAN'T take the vaccine, is still greater than the herd immunity threshold, then we're still fine. In other words, if the herd immunity threshold is 70% and 10% can't take the vaccine and 5% refuse it, we're at 85%, which is over 70%. However, if the HIT is 85% and 10% can't take it and 10% refuse it, we're at 80%. That's below herd immunity. Now the people who CAN'T take the vaccine (cancer patients, pregnant women, young children, etc.) are at risk for catching the disease. Those people already have compromised immune systems, so they're at much greater risk for complications than otherwise health individuals. So in that case, you and the other 20% of people who haven't had the vaccine can catch and transmit the disease. That is the concern.
Speaking specifically about COVID-19, the upper end of the likely R0 for SARS-CoV-2 is 3.8. HIT is 1-1/R0, so that gives us 73.7%. That's pretty much our worst case scenario for herd immunity. It's likely a bit lower than that (possibly as low as 54.5%.) The specifics of the vaccine(s) approved will tell us how many CAN'T take it. After that, we will have to see how many refuse to take it to see whether that choice leaves enough of a gap that COVID-19 can continue to spread for some people of time before herd immunity is reached. Hopefully, the objections are limited and we very quickly have enough people vaccinated that we hit herd immunity and this whole mess ends. The higher we get our total population immunity percentage, the faster COVID-19 vanishes. I want that. President Trump wants that. I should hope we would all want to see that.
Perhaps I should have elaborated further.
The document (https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm) goes on to state that if an ethically developed vaccine (one free from any use of fetal stem cells in its research and development process) is not available (for either technical or regulatory reasons), one must weigh what is the greater good. If the disease being vaccinated against is a grave threat to the safety and wellbeing of an individual and/or their family, they may decide (within the bounds of Catholic teachings) to take the vaccine, but it then becomes their duty to advocate for the development, production, and regulatory approval of an ethically produced alternative so others may use that instead. Preservation of human life and advancing the availability of an ethical alternative for others together are taken as a greater good.
Now if the vaccine is for athlete’s foot, there is no greater good to be had. One is obligated to avoid it until an ethical alternative is available. If it’s for weaponized smallpox that’s likely going to wipe out your entire family, you should be taking that. In between there is a lot of gray area. That decision is largely considered personal and between you, your conscience, and God. God knows whether you’re making a selfish decision based on preferences or if you’re making the best decision you can based on the evidence before you.
In the US, ethical alternative vaccines exist for everything except rubella and Hep A. There is an ethical rubella vaccine (no fetal stem cells used in its research and development) approved for use in Japan, but it is not approved yet in the US. Measles, mumps, pertussis, influenza, and nearly all others have ethical alternatives available. You just need to ask for them. If your doctor says no, get a new doctor.
More information about the technical side of how and why fetal stem cells are used in the research and development of vaccines is here: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development. The long and short of it is that it’s quicker, cheaper, and easier using human stem cells, and fetal stem cells above all. It’s not impossible to use more ethical methods, and if enough people specifically require ethical alternatives, then basic market forces will dictate that ethical methods become the default choice for future R&D.
You certainly have a valid point, and this should certainly be considered.
What I find in these vaccine discussions is that a black and white view is often presented as/assumed to be fact: that a Catholic is not allowed, under any circumstances, to take any vaccine using fetal stem cells; that a Catholic would be guilty of sin if he/she did so.
I have recently learned that this is NOT what Catholic morality teaches on this topic.
I can’t read the article, so can not comment on it.
You people can shoot up whatever DNA-modifying cocktail you please. You have the “option” to destroy yourselves by whatever means you like. Happy?
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