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To: MacNaughton
I love John Paul II. I know people look to find fault with him one way or another as if he is supposed to be perfect, he wasn't. But he will always be more so than those who feel so prideful they should point out what they "consider" to be his faults- and do so in an unnecessary way. That's my disclosure. I get it though, its just our human nature.

In that, for me, St. John Paul II has been the closest man in my life to resemble the Christ-life transformation in this world (in a woman, St. (Mother) Teresa of Calcutta of course.) - that Jesus wants for us to follow. We hopefully try to obtain as best we can, but at the same time we know we fail.
To deny these incredible people we have been blessed to know, is in my mind to deny Christ's mission for us. Like cutting of the branch of a tree we are sitting on. (CS)

Make no mistake - I as well deny Christ's unconditional Love as I cheered the deaths of Khomanie, Hussein, Bin Laden and take joy in the wipe out of ISIS and Solamaeni...etc. etc. I know it is OK for these evil men to be taken out... but its wrong to enjoy it and cheer for it, as we all find ourselves doing. That visceral emotion to wish bad will for others, doesn't endear us to anyone- especially Gid. That's not to say go hug a Muslim today.... but it does highlight the differences of what a total self-emptying commitment to Christ allows in us. That's what John Paul II had.

And his starting point was that ALL humans are created by God. The yoke is easy, and the burden is light- but thats the hardest thing to master.
19 posted on 08/19/2020 9:46:00 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: MurphsLaw
I love John Paul II. I know people look to find fault with him one way or another as if he is supposed to be perfect, he wasn't. But he will always be more so than those who feel so prideful they should point out what they "consider" to be his faults- and do so in an unnecessary way. That's my disclosure. I get it though, its just our human nature.

In the larger picture JPII was great. He, RWR and Maggie Thatcher stood up to the Soviet Bear and made it blink. Pointing out disagreements with some of his actions like the picture with the Qu'ran and essentially ignoring the child molestation crisis within the priesthood are appropriate. We all make mistakes.

Make no mistake - I as well deny Christ's unconditional Love as I cheered the deaths of Khomanie, Hussein, Bin Laden and take joy in the wipe out of ISIS and Solamaeni...etc. etc. I know it is OK for these evil men to be taken out... but its wrong to enjoy it and cheer for it, as we all find ourselves doing. That visceral emotion to wish bad will for others, doesn't endear us to anyone- especially Gid.

We are in agreement on that.

... That's not to say go hug a Muslim today.... but it does highlight the differences of what a total self-emptying commitment to Christ allows in us. That's what John Paul II had.

And I will continue to point out the inappropriateness of kissing the Qu'ran.

And his starting point was that ALL humans are created by God. The yoke is easy, and the burden is light- but thats the hardest thing to master.

And that is the point I am in disagreement with regarding the path Pope Francis is following regarding this Abrahamic faiths project. This AF business goes back to the Catholic Catechism which JPII was following when he kissed the Qu'ran. There is no way to reconcile the OT/NT with Muhammed's version in the Qu'ran.

20 posted on 08/19/2020 10:27:37 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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