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Atheists don’t realize just how much God would intervene in our normal lives if He did act the way they say they want him to act. Fact is no one could live very long and remain happy that they were alive, with that amount of interdiction.

they think only the people doing what they comsider wrong would be stopped doing things. not themselves. now consider their bad thoughts they think all the time. no one alive could handle that level of direct scrutiny and correction.

People who use that Epicurus statement don't seem to understand that without a Creator/God there wouldn't BE any such thing as morality or the comprehension of something good vs. something being evil. There wouldn't be any right or wrong - it would all just be relative, what is good for my own selfish needs. The best way to win an argument with an atheist is to disavow their basic premise from the start.

An additional point if they want you to explain why God allows bad to happen to "good" people is to mention that He DID initially create a perfect world where everything was good and humans still screwed it up.

People who use that Epicurus statement don't seem to understand that without a Creator/God there wouldn't BE any such thing as morality or the comprehension of something good vs. something being evil. There wouldn't be any right or wrong - it would all just be relative, what is good for my own selfish needs. The best way to win an argument with an atheist is to disavow their basic premise from the start.

An additional point if they want you to explain why God allows bad to happen to "good" people is to mention that He DID initially create a perfect world where everything was good and humans still screwed it up.