Posted on 03/01/2020 5:48:48 PM PST by ebb tide
You quoted Canon Law 917.
Now try reading Canon Law 921.2. You and your bishop are apparently ignoring it, if you received twice for many years. I don’t believe you were on your death bed for that long.
I've already addressed this. "Particles" of the Host are shed whether distribution is "in the hand" OR "on the tongue". The idea that if the priest dispenses the Host on the tongue, no "particles" are shed is simply wrong and contrary to science. "Particles" are lost whenever the Host is handled.
You continue to amaze me, worrywart. You seem more concerned about the dispersion of particles of human saliva than you are of the particles of the Body of Christ.
The idea that if the priest dispenses the Host on the tongue, no "particles" are shed is simply wrong and contrary to science. "Particles" are lost whenever the Host is handled.
What fake science are you talking about? At the distribution of Holy Communion at the traditional latin Mass, which was the universal Mass until VC II, the Host is held over the ciborium until being placed on the tongue with an altar boy holding a paten under the communicant's chin to ensure the capture of "particles", if any.
That's back when Catholics revered the Body of Christ.
The "particles" are so fine that they probably can't be seen by the naked eye. The paten does exactly nothing to capture them. This is just simple physics. Nothing whatsoever "fake' about it.
What is "fake" is the antiquated notion that the "particles" only comprise pieces big enough to see and which will fall by gravity onto the paten.
The phenomenon is EXACTLY THE SAME as governs those "particles of saliva" that WILL be transferred from the communicants mouth onto the priests fingers. Governed by exactly the same laws of physics. You can't prevent either of them from happening.
Now you're talking like a crazy man. What a joke.
What physics law states bread vaporizes?
If Jesus spat on the ground, made some mud and approached your face with it, would you punch Him?
The only "joke" is your gross ignorance of science.
"What physics law states bread vaporizes?"
The mechanism isn't "vaporization". It is mechanical. Particles are dislodged from the surface of the Host wafer by any and all physical handling. That's just a fact. It happens whether the Priest, a Eucharistic Minister, or anyone else does the handling. It happens before the Host is consecrated, and it happens after the Host is consecrated.
"If Jesus spat on the ground, made some mud and approached your face with it, would you punch Him?
Stop changing the subject and ducking the issue.
But you had implied these particles defied the law of gravity:
"The paten does exactly nothing to capture them."
Talk about getting off topic!
Small enough particles do precisely that. They are quickly swept away by small air currents. Small enough particles undergo what is called "Brownian movement" due to collisions with the molecules of the air. Use of a "paten" is a pious, but meaningless gesture which does nothing.
The interior of any church is literally coated with particles from consecrated hosts.
LEARN SOME SCIENCE!!
Absolute horse-hockey. What are you smoking?
Still, we must emphasize that some persons fall into serious confusion on this point. Because every particle of the consecrated Host is surely Jesus, they think that even every microscopic particle which falls from the Host is also Jesus – but in this, they err.
A piece of the Host which is visible to the human eye (under usual conditions and without assistance) as what appears to be a piece of bread, is surely Jesus. However, those particles which are so small as to be invisible to the human eye, or to be indistinguishable from a particle of dust – these cannot any longer be the Eucharist.
The Church teaches that the Eucharistic Presence remains “as long as the Eucharist species subsist”. This means that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, so long as the Eucharist retains the accidental properties of bread and wine. Hence, if a Host is dissolved in water (as is done when the Host has become putrefied, as through vomiting after the reception of Communion), upon being dissolved it is not longer the Eucharist. Likewise, the Precious Blood, when the Chalice is purified with water (and wine), is no longer the Eucharist.
The same must hold true for those particles which are so small as to be unrecognizable as “bread”. If the fragment is so small as to appear to be dust or a speck of some other substance, rather than a “crumb” of bread, it can no longer be the Eucharist. Likewise, those microscopic particles which fall from the Host are not the Eucharist, since they clearly do not retain the appearance of bread.
Excessive scrupulosity about such things will only cause the true faith to be ridiculed. Indeed, in this case, the words of the Catechism of the Council of Trent are most helpful. Warning priests to dissuade the people from a vain curiosity into such mysteries, the Roman Catechism states: “No less of caution should be observed by pastors in explaining the mysterious manner in which the body of our Lord is contained whole and entire under the least particle of the bread. Indeed, discussions of this kind should scarcely ever be entered upon.
“Should Christian charity, however, require a departure from this rule, the pastor should remember first of all to prepare and fortify his hearers by reminding them that no word shall be impossible with God.”
"How small is too small"....it depends on how you look at it. Capture any of those particles (difficult, but doable) and put it under a microscope. It will still exhibit all the properties of bread.
I'm afraid I'm not over impressed with the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" argument the author uses to justify his opinion, which basically boils down to "begging the question". Some of the comments are reasonably insightful.
Doable, how so? With wonderwart's magical dream catcher net?
Put it under a microsope.
Your lack of reading comprehension amazes me:
From the article:
If the fragment is so small as to appear to be dust or a speck of some other substance, rather than a “crumb” of bread, it can no longer be the Eucharist. Likewise, those microscopic particles which fall from the Host are not the Eucharist, since they clearly do not retain the appearance of bread.
Excessive scrupulosity about such things will only cause the true faith to be ridiculed. (thanks to warthog) Indeed, in this case, the words of the Catechism of the Council of Trent are most helpful. Warning priests to dissuade the people from a vain curiosity into such mysteries, the Roman Catechism states:
Comparing the germs of the COVID-19 virus to the Body of Christ is disgusting and indicates a lack of faith.
P.S. If the walls of every Church are layered with the particles of the Host, they're also layered with numerous contagions, maybe including your COVID-19 nemisis.
So why don't you stay home in your little bubble and watch Mass on TV, to avoid contamination by both the Body of Christ and those evil bogie germs you fear so much?
And there speaks YOUR lack of reading comprehension. I am making no such comparison. We are talking about two totally separate phenomena....1) the shedding by the Host of particles, which nullify any supposed advantage of "communion on the tongue" in averting "maltreatment" of the Body of Chirst, and 2) the transfer of particles of saliva in the exhaled breath of communicants onto the priests hands during "communion on the tongue".
The ONLY thing those two cases have in common is that they involve the behavior of small particulates.
Your comments get more and more disconnected from reality the more you post.
So says one who claims:
The interior of any church is literally coated with particles from consecrated hosts.
Which happens to be the precise truth. Small particles go everywhere and stick to everything. With particles carrying dieease-causing species, fortunately those usually die after a short time and lose their ability to infect. Particles of the consecrated Host, on the other hand, retain their sacred characteristics until the particle loses the characteristic properties of bread, which can take quite a while.
Think about what you just said, next time you come out of a public restroom.
I do, which is why I grab a paper towel after handwashing to open the door. I don't deny reality because it makes me uncomfortable.
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