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To: Petrosius
But there is real shedding of blood, the blood of Jesus on the Cross.

There was a real shedding of blood. It was a one time event never to be repeated again.

The Last Supper and the Crucifixion were not two distinct events. There were the same event, the new Paschal sacrifice.

No, they are separate events.

What the Mass does is make that one sacrifice present though the unbloody offering of the bread in wine.

Again, without the shedding of blood there is no sacrifice nor forgiveness of sins. That's the error of the Mass.

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Did you even read the note that you appended at the end of your chart:

‘but in those (sacrifices) there is a yearly reminder of sins’ or ‘… that people have sinned’ He 10:3

Yes I read it as I typed it.

Now, read it in context of Hebrews. The passage is referencing the OT sacrifices. We're in the NT now.

Rome though, has seemingly re-established the OT system of priests and sacrifices in rejection of the NT.

History is not on your side.

The ECFs, when read in context, are not on the Roman Catholic's side.

How old did Irenaeus says Jesus was?

Care to discuss his recapitulation theory?

97 posted on 02/29/2020 9:29:16 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
There was a real shedding of blood. It was a one time event never to be repeated again.

The Mass does not repeat our Lord's shedding of blood. Rather, it makes that one and only sacrifice present to us. How many times does this have to be explained?

No, they (the Last Supper and the Crucifixion) are separate events.

The Last Supper and the Crucifixion are together the presentation of the new Paschal sacrifice. This is clear when our Lord call the cup of wine "the blood of the covenant." As the new Paschal meal, the Last Supper would be incomplete without it being that of the sacrifice. As the new Paschal sacrifice, the Crucifixion would be incomplete the Paschal meal. They both need the other for completion in the one act of the new Passover.

Yes I read it as I typed it (Hebrews 10:3).

Now, read it in context of Hebrews. The passage is referencing the OT sacrifices. We're in the NT now.

Rome though, has seemingly re-established the OT system of priests and sacrifices in rejection of the NT.

I brought this up because you highlighted "remembrance" as if it were in contradiction to sacrifice. But as both Hebrews and Numbers show, remembrance is a part of sacrifice. Thus that our Lord said that we were to "do this in remembrance of me" in no way excludes the idea that the Mass is a sacrifice. There is no need to reestablish the Old Testament system of priests and sacrifices since we have the priesthood and one sacrifice established by Jesus Christ himself.

102 posted on 03/01/2020 4:24:15 PM PST by Petrosius
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