Posted on 01/25/2020 4:22:21 PM PST by Frank Broom
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
What does God mean with his stripes we are healed. He means the provision of healing has already been made. Because, Peter looking back at the cross agrees in 1Peter 2:24. Peter says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." Now, I don't see any future tense in that, it's spoken in past tense. Now, don't look to your flesh to tell you whether or not God has done something, because your flesh is no indication of whether God has done something or not. Your flesh can only tell you when you have received what God has done. Don't mistake the manifestation of healing with the act of healing.
In Luke 17 there is an account of ten lepers coming to Jesus for healing. They cried out, "Jesus, Master, have mercy on us" and Jesus answered them, "Go shew yourselves unto the priests." The thing about it is you are only suppose to show yourself to the priests after you have evidence of being cleansed for him to pronounce you clean to go back into the camp. So, what is Jesus doing? He is calling them clean. He's doing like his father, calling things that be not as though they were (Rom 4:17). So, in the mind of Jesus once he called them clean his job was done because all he has to do is speak the word (Matt. 8:8). Now, they could have stood there and waited until they felt something or looked better, but they didn't they acted on the words of Jesus and as they went the healing was manifested. Notice, their flesh was no indication of whether or not Jesus did something.
In Mark 2:3-12 a man that was sick of the palsy was brought to Jesus for healing, but when Jesus saw him he said to him, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." Which angered the scribes that where sitting there. But, Jesus went on to say, "But that ye may know that the son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, I say unto thee, arise, and take up they bed, and go thy way into thine house." Wait a minute, does forgiveness have something to do with healing, absolutely. God did not separate forgiveness and healing, man did. And the scriptures shows it, Mark 2 is one example and there are more. Psalm 103:3 says, "Who forgiveth all thine iniquities and healeth all thine diseases." James 5:15 says, "And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up, and if he has committed any sins, they shall be forgiven him." 1Peter 2:24 says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree(forgiveness) ... by whose stripes ye were healed(healing)." See that, forgiveness and healing go together and there's more scriptures that shows that.
In Leviticus 16 God introduced the scapegoat offering that when Aaron laid his hands on the head of that goat and confessed the sins of the people then the children of Israel sins would be put on the head of that goat (Lev. 16:20-22). And according to 1Peter 2:24 Jesus bore our sins in his own body. He bore the sins of the whole world (John 1:29 1John 2:2). Notice, the word says Jesus bore our sins and in Isaiah 53:4 it says he bore(same word) our griefs(diseases and sicknesses) and carried our sorrows(pains and anguish). So, God sees you through the finished works of Jesus that's why God can say that by the stripes of Jesus you were(past tense) healed. Because, God knows what Jesus has already done for us. Now, we need to get a better understanding of all Jesus has done for us.
Through the act of Jesus taking our place God looked down through time and whatever was heading for you has already been put on Jesus for him to bare, so it's not God trying to teach you something with sickness. Because, Jesus has been punished in your place so it is illegal for him to put it on you when Jesus has already taken it/paid the price for you. And on the subject just think about this for a minute God set the price for our healing (Isa. 53:4,5), sent Jesus to pay the price (1John 2:2), and accepted Jesus blood as payment. And how could God who is holy and righteous now put it on you or withhold it from you. For example you go to a store let's say to by a hat and the hat costs $10.00 and you pay the $10.00 they can't withhold the hat from you that is illegal. They can't accept the payment and keep the product. When payment is made the product must be released. God is not keeping healing from you or anyone.
Thank you. Blessing at this moment
A child stricken with leukemia is/was a sinner?
Explain why my daughter-in-law’s Christain mom died from cancer at a young age.
So what’s the magic formula to access this healing?
Explain how someone just *receives* it.
Frank, like your other posts, this one mixes unrelated passages based (seemingly) on the predecided outcome.
I assume you mean well.
Do you have any formal Bible training?
Best
What a crock.
Your flesh better had tell you if God did something.
When Jesus healed people their circumstances changed.
The blind could see, the deaf could hear, the lame could walk, the mute could speak, withered hands were straightened, and the dead were breathing again and their hearts were beating.
If your physical situation hasn't changed, you weren't healed.
If you are healed, then your body WILL work the way God designed it to.
If you still have symptoms, then no healing happened.
Google Joseph Prince’s sermons (also on YouTube).
Simply the Bible means what it says. (And that includes healing.)
“ Simply the Bible means what it says. (And that includes healing.)
I appreciate that you believe the Bible teaches what is claimed.
Did God tell you that Himself???
Saying that *By His stripes we are healed* simply informs us of HOW the healing happens, the mechanism as it were.
Show us where that verse guarantees healing to the believer and how they are to access it.
I know that such things occur. There was a woman in Singapore who had a kidney removed. Now she has two kidneys, as healthy as those of a 17 year old (and she didn’t have a transplant).
So Jesus is still in business.
But believing he doesn’t do such things any longer won’t get you anywhere. . .
Nobody ever said that Jesus still doesn’t heal.
I’ve been healed of some things and seen others be healed of some things.
What I want to know is where the guarantee that Jesus always will heal you and that it’s always His will to heal is.
I want to know where the verses are that state that the believer can just claim it (receive it, if you will) and that it WILL happen to them.
Some people try to make it sound so easy. *Just receive it, it’s already yours*. Well, where is that in Scripture? And why doesn’t it work for everyone?
Most people ascribe to a Prosperity Gospel where all prayers are answered to everyone’s satisfaction. I am 80y old and I have yet to see prayers answered in a miraculous way. I believe that our prayers are answered in the afterlife and not this life. Anyone thinks this is BS? Why not keep track of how many prayers are answered of the many requests for prayers from FReepers who have sick or dying family members? I think that the number of answered prayers will be less than 50%. Prove me wrong.
As such, those who advocate it are under a curse.
Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
The prosperity gospel appeals to those who are entitlement minded. It appeals to the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.
I have seen a lot of greed expressed by the thinking that God wants to give us all the things we want so it's OK to ask for it and expect it.
Besides, even in the NT not everyone was always healed and the theology of the prosperity gospel and all that is entailed is not found in Scripture.
I certainly won't be proving you wrong.
So it gets back to trusting God, that HE knows what's best, and not us.
The Prosperity Gospel is not a gospel but merely a state of mind that teaches that all prayers are answered in this life. All cancers are healed, all sick get well and all wishes fulfilled, etc. It leaves us open to many disappointments if the prayers are not answered. FReepers ask for prayers thinking that if enough prayers are said, their loved ones get well and recover. Let’s keep a record of how many prayers are actually acknowledged. If we knew the answer, fewer prayer requests would be made. I once knew a pastor who publicly asked that if anyone has his prayers answered to come to his office and report it with all details. After 80 yrs I have concluded that prayers are answered in the Old Testament. As a teenager, and also later in life, I have prayed drenched in my tears of sadness and my prayer was never answered. Perhaps I don’t know how to pray.
The Prosperity Gospel is not a gospel but merely a state of mind that teaches that all prayers are answered in this life. All cancers are healed, all sick get well and all wishes fulfilled, etc. It leaves us open to many disappointments if the prayers are not answered. FReepers ask for prayers thinking that if enough prayers are said, their loved ones get well and recover. Let’s keep a record of how many prayers are actually acknowledged. If we knew the answer, fewer prayer requests would be made. I once knew a pastor who publicly asked that if anyone has his prayers answered to come to his office and report it with all details. After 80 yrs I have concluded that prayers are answered in the Old Testament. As a teenager, and also later in life, I have prayed drenched in my tears of sadness and my prayer was never answered. Perhaps I don’t know how to pray. I better stop before I blaspheme
I have to disagree with the God doesn’t answer prayers thinking.
I have seen God answer prayers, sometimes immediately, sometimes the way I want, and sometimes in a better way.
But not all of them have been answered or they have not been answered yet.
I am willing to wait for God’s timing because it’s usually better than mine.
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