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To: ebb tide

Nothing against Fatima, but it’s not dogma or even doctrine. Just saying, the words of an apparition are not on same level as scripture.

I say the OMJ every day, but it’s a prayer, not (unto itself) a tenet of theology.


10 posted on 01/10/2020 7:33:17 PM PST by Marchmain (safe, legal and wrong)
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To: Marchmain

Ever heard of Doubting Thomas?

Just saying.


12 posted on 01/10/2020 8:10:40 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Marchmain
How the Miracle of the Sun dazzled the sceptics
15 posted on 01/10/2020 8:22:29 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Marchmain

How is the OMJ not on the same level of Scripture and a tenet of theology, when it clearly summarizes Scripture?


19 posted on 01/10/2020 10:23:57 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Marchmain
Nothing against Fatima, but it’s not dogma or even doctrine. Just saying, the words of an apparition are not on same level as scripture.

When the message of the apparition at Fatima claiming to be Mary is compared to Scripture errors are quickly detected.

From gotquestions.org:

The only way to determine whether an apparition is a "lying wonder" or a genuine message from God is to compare the message of the apparition with Scripture. If the teachings that are attached to these apparitions are contrary to the Word of God, the apparitions themselves are then satanic in nature. A study of the teachings of Our Lady Fatima with the "Miracle of the Sun" is a good example.

Sister Lucy speaks of devotion to the "Immaculate Heart" of Mary and saying the Rosary as the "last two remedies to the world." She also states that there is no problem that cannot be solved by saying the Rosary. It is the teaching of Fatima that saying the Rosary will lead to the salvation of many souls. Again, never is such a teaching found in Scripture. The Rosary's main prayer is the "Hail, Mary," which is repeated fifty times. The first half of it is a quote from Scripture of the greeting of the angel to Mary, "Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." but the second half says, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Besides giving Mary a title which Scripture does not, it asks Mary to pray for us. Indeed, Catholics not only see Mary as the one through whom ALL of God's grace flows, and the one who intercedes to her Son on our behalf, but Catholics also direct prayers to her to deliver people from sin, from war, etc. Pope John Paul II's prayer from the early 1980s to Mary is an example of such. In this prayer he repeatedly pleads to Mary to "deliver us" from nuclear war, famine, self-destruction, injustice, etc.

Again, never do we find a godly person in Scripture praying to anyone but God or asking for intercession by anyone but those still living on this earth. Prayer to Mary or to saints is not found in the Bible. Rather, Scripture directs us to pray to God (Luke 11:1-2; Matthew 6:6-9; Philippians 4:6; Acts 8:22; Luke 10:2, etc.)! God entreats us to come boldly unto the throne of grace (His throne) that we may find grace and help in time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16). God promised us that the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us according to the will of God with groanings that cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26). Why do we need to go through a saint, angel or Mary, especially considering the fact that neither the example of doing so nor the command of doing so is ever given in Scripture? Concerning prayer, we have the repeated example of two things in Scripture:

a) Prayer is made to God alone (2 Corinthians 13:7; Romans 10:1; 15:30; Acts 12:5; Acts 10:2; Acts 8:24; Acts 1:24; Zechariah 8:21-22; Jonah 2:7; 4:2, etc.)

b) Requests for prayer are made only to the living (1 Thessalonians 5:25; 2 Thessalonians 3:1; Hebrews 13:18, etc.)

more here: https://www.gotquestions.org/lady-fatima.html

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When compared to Scripture it is easy to determine the message of the apparition at Fatima is in error.

23 posted on 01/11/2020 9:25:11 AM PST by ealgeone
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