Posted on 01/07/2020 10:16:12 AM PST by Salvation
Salvation is completely paid for by those who have entrusted themselves to Him.
Catholicism is false teaching ADSUM.
Show us Scriptural support for the concept of original sin and the parents having the ability to make that choice for the infant.
Then show us Scriptural support for baptism causing sin to be forgiven as opposed to JESUS forgiving it.
As Catholics we again accept at the age of reason our Baptism in the Sacraments of Eucharist, Confessions and Confirmation. Baptism was accepted by Jesus and He told us to do the same.
Yes, Jesus was baptized but show us where HE commanded we be baptized.
Then show us where the word *sacraments* shows up in Scripture and where Jesus instituted them, BY NAME and gave us the pattern for their practice.
Yes, after Baptism, we can reject Jesus by committing a mortal sin and potentially lose our salvation unless we repent and seek forgiveness through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
Please cite Scriptural support for mortal sin and give us the list in Scripture and that it means the loss of salvation.
Getting the popcorn out as I wait an interminable amount of time for the answers I will never receive.
Yes, God cares about the heart more than the outward actions.
Read the Beatitudes and 1 Corinthians 13.
The pharisees had all the outward actions pegged, and Jesus shredded them in Matthew 24, calling them vipers and white washed tombs.
Don’t forget the widow’s mite. Not big on the outward action scale but HUGE on the heart scale.
I have found God’s truth and it’s Jesus and Scripture, not the lies and fairy tales that Catholicism has fabricated and relabeled as *sacred tradition*.
your question? Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
I received the Holy Spirit through the Sacraments of the Catholic Church: Baptism, Reconciliation, Confirmation, Anointing of the Sick, etc.
The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are, according to Catholic Tradition, heroic character traits that Jesus Christ alone possesses in their plenitude but that he freely shares with the members of his mystical body (i.e., his Church). These traits are infused into every Christian as a permanent endowment at his baptism, nurtured by the practice of the seven virtues, and sealed in the sacrament of confirmation. They are also known as the sanctifying gifts of the Spirit, because they serve the purpose of rendering their recipients docile to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in their lives, helping them to grow in holiness and making them fit for heaven.
Wisdom is both the knowledge of and judgment about “divine things” and the ability to judge and direct human affairs according to divine truth (I/I.1.6; I/II.69.3; II/II.8.6; II/II.45.1–5).
Understanding is penetrating insight into the very heart of things, especially those higher truths that are necessary for our eternal salvation—in effect, the ability to “see” God (I/I.12.5; I/II.69.2; II/II.8.1–3).
Counsel allows a man to be directed by God in matters necessary for his salvation (II/II.52.1).
Fortitude denotes a firmness of mind in doing good and in avoiding evil, particularly when it is difficult or dangerous to do so, and the confidence to overcome all obstacles, even deadly ones, by virtue of the assurance of everlasting life (I/II.61.3; II/II.123.2; II/II.139.1).
Knowledge is the ability to judge correctly about matters of faith and right action, so as to never wander from the straight path of justice (II/II.9.3).
Piety is, principally, revering God with filial affection, paying worship and duty to God, paying due duty to all men on account of their relationship to God, and honoring the saints and not contradicting Scripture. The Latin word pietas denotes the reverence that we give to our father and to our country; since God is the Father of all, the worship of God is also called piety (I/II.68.4; II/II.121.1).
Fear of God is, in this context, “filial” or chaste fear whereby we revere God and avoid separating ourselves from him—as opposed to “servile” fear, whereby we fear punishment (I/II.67.4; II/II.19.9).
These gifts, according to Aquinas, are “habits,” “instincts,” or “dispositions” provided by God as supernatural helps to man in the process of his “perfection.” They enable man to transcend the limitations of human reason and human nature and participate in the very life of God, as Christ promised (John 14:23).
Aquinas insisted that they are necessary for man’s salvation, which he cannot achieve on his own. They serve to “perfect” the four cardinal or moral virtues (prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance) and the three theological virtues (faith, hope, and charity). The virtue of charity is the key that unlocks the potential power of the seven gifts, which can (and will) lie dormant in the soul after baptism unless so acted upon.
Because “grace builds upon nature” (ST I/I.2.3), the seven gifts work synergistically with the seven virtues and also with the twelve fruits of the Spirit and the eight beatitudes. The emergence of the gifts is fostered by the practice of the virtues, which in turn are perfected by the exercise of the gifts.
The proper exercise of the gifts, in turn, produce the fruits of the Spirit in the life of the Christian: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, modesty, self-control, and chastity (Gal. 5:22–23).
The goal of this cooperation among virtues, gifts, and fruits is the attainment of the eight-fold state of beatitude described by Christ in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5:3–10).
Perhaps you such read Matthew 5:16 and Ephesians 2:10. Hebrews 10:24
“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”
For context...the astute will note the passage says nothing of the Roman Catholic church.
13For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
Nothing about Rome's sacraments.....we come to Christ through faith.
Do you claim this is the same Roman Catholic church that allows the Brown Scapular and other idolatry? Comical.
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2 Timothy 2:15 The word of Truth is the gospel message which is “heard” through preaching (Eph 1:13; Col 1:5)
As always in dealing with the Roman Catholic....context is key.
14Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14
Kinda surprised the Roman Catholic appeals to this passage as it supports coming to Christ in faith and the security of the believer.
3We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; 5because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel Colossians 1:3-5 NASB
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Paul was sending a pastoral letter to Timothy a Catholic Bishop to warn about false teaching such as Hymenaeus who was excommunicated for blasphemy. As a Bishop, Timothy was responsible to preach the Truth of God.
Your liberties with adding to the text are shameful.
NO where does the text describe Timothy as a "Catholic Bishop"
Neither are part of the text.
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IF this is how the Roman Catholic handles the word I can understand why they were not encouraged to read the word for so long.
So many errors in one post.
The good works come about as a result of faith in Christ.
But it is the faith that saves you.
IOW, thorough the works of the Law, not through faith.
Unfortunately, you are wrong.
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
You continue to muddle the terms.
REALLY! I mean, where do you start? I’ve seen my birth certificate.. I KNOW I don’t have enough time to sort out that train wreck of misinformation. This is going to take lots of patience And prayer
“ I KNOW I don’t have enough time to sort out that train wreck of misinformation. ”
You might guess a priest would be very familiar with the Scriptures, knowing how to rightly divide them.
You would be wrong.
Hard to square, huh?
Oh yeah, it’s hard to square, all right...!
Your comment: ADSUM is a PRIEST??
This is a false statement.
... and yet in a previous post, you supported gay priests continuing in the priesthood.
Hmmm...
So you’re just your run of the mill apologist for the RCC? I’m really interested in your points here.
Here is one to ponder: In Matthew Christ told Peter and the 11 (with Matthias taking Judas’ place) that when He returns and sets up His Kingdom, they (The 12 Apostles) will be sitting on 12 thrones,along with Him, judging the 12 tribes of Israel...
So...where does Paul, the OTHER Apostle, sit, in this Kingdom??
Are they going to pull up a lawn chair for him??
Sometimes you just have to THINK...
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