Posted on 01/04/2020 8:19:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Our First Amendment means that, even though the Supreme Court found a constitutional right to same sex marriage, that new right applies only to the government's relationship with citizens. From Obergefell forward, to the extent states and the federal government recognize traditional marriage, they must also recognize same sex marriage. Thanks to the First Amendment, though, religious institutions cannot be forced to change their doctrines to conform to the Supreme Court’s holding.
In the case of the United Methodist Church, the church opted not to recognize (or officiate at) same sex marriages. It also has refused to ordain openly gay people to the clergy. Many within the church objected to this stance, a position that led to continued debate. That debate has now resulted in a formal agreement in principle to divide the church in 2020:
The plan, if approved at the church's worldwide conference in Minneapolis in May, would divide the third-largest U.S. Christian denomination into two branches: A traditionalist side opposed to gay marriage and the ordination of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender clergy, and a progressive wing that will allow same-sex marriage and LGBT clergy.
The split would affect the denomination globally, church leaders said. The United Methodist Church lists more than 13 million members in the United States and 80 million worldwide.
In their Protocol of Reconciliation and Grace Through Separation, a 16-member group of church bishops acknowledged that there was no way to reconcile the church’s differing factions, citing “fundamental differences regarding their understanding and interpretation of Scripture, theology and practice;” a failure at a February 2019 conference to resolve the differences; and the fact that the church and “its members are at an impasse, the Church’s witness and mission is being impeded,
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Thank you. I got a few replies and yours pretty much is the same as mine. They want normal folk to validate their sick choices.
Ping.
Good for you and your wife.
Exactly.
The woman has been crying for the past three days. She put on a brave face for our children but being told by her church that she’s not welcome and they *might* allow her to belong to another version of her church, has just ripped her heart out.
I’ve already accepted the fact that I’m the one who will have the long talk with Peter at the pearly gates but she’ll breeze right in.
I’ve known her for 17 years and I’ve never seen this in her eyes. It’s devestating.
I am so sorry!
She (and your family) have poured your heart and souls into what WAS your church home. Investing in time/volunteering, attending, etc., and making friends.
I pray that you find a welcoming, Christ centered church, soon...and, I pray that the UMC split allows for conservatives to have a Christ centered, bible based home, ASAP.
It is sad that this is even an issue...that the UMC has allowed itself to be infiltrated by the progs. It’s NOT just the UMC, though....other churches certainly have been infiltrated, by leftists, as well.
May the Lord hear our prayers and separate the UMC wheat from the chaff, swiftly.
I am a female refugee from what Methodism has devolved to, which is in stark contrast to how it was prior to the 70s, and how it was intended by its founders the Wesleys. I have been so happy with the LCMS. Take note: it is NOT the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), which is going down the leftist sinkhole as fast as it can.
1. I want the separation to happen.
2. The group that met has zero decision making powers.
3. The decision and plan can be made ONLY at the denomination business meeting, the General Conference [GC] as we call it, in May of this year. No other group or agency speaks for the denomination.
4. I like the Indianapolis Plan of 5 months ago better than this plan involving a few bishops
5. There will be a lot of horse trading at GC2020 in May
How is this not a coup? Isnt it really about the pension fund?
No, the pensions are handled by Wespath, and the plans most likely to win at GC2020 both have agreed to have wespath continue to manage those.
https://www.wespath.org/
The real issue is biblical authority
The presenting issue is lgbtq
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