Posted on 12/29/2019 1:57:07 PM PST by ebb tide
RC NFP, for example, is a pernicious and frudulent violation of
1 Corinthians 7
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
And yet St. James doesn't mention that sin in:
Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
...unless contraception falls under "fornication."
Anyway, the Holy Ghost unites all catholic Christians even when they disagree. Don't blaspheme the Holy Ghost brother!
Well yes, you may be right...When the scriptures started to get put to papyrus, the first thing it did was to warn us about usurpers of the Christian message...Perverters and corrupters of the actual preaching and teaching of Jesus and the Apostles...
These perverters were going around in long robes bedecked with gold and precious gems trying to look like religious royalty...No doubt they were homosexuals since the demanded their clergy could not marry completely contradicting the teaching of the apostle Paul who got it right from the lips of Jesus that all ministers, deacons, pasters, overseers and bishops MUST be married with a brood of kids...
These Christian imposters invented another gospel, ignored doctrine and demanded the peons hold them in high esteem and call them Father, going so far as to tell the people they couldn't eat meat on Friday after Jesus told people there was nothing unclean that they couldn't eat...
These pagan fakers even continued the practice of Nimrod's spawn of baking little cakes and giving drink offerings to the pagan queen of heaven... And then after about 300 years your religion joined with the massive Roman army and got large enough after murdering the Christian descendants of the true scriptures that it created its own bible...
Oh yah, Paul warned us that your religion existed...
The adversary IS the Catholic Church...And God says for his people to come out of her...
“... sola scriptura is an intellectual joke created by a man too proud to submit to the Church.”
Why would one have to submit to the Church?
Seems like the Church should be worried about submitting to God.
Finally, you're going to show us some scriptural proof...OK, where is it???
Evidence of Sacred tradition, ie., "the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us," implies one holy catholic and apostolic Church from the days of the Apostles until this day, and that communities which separated from the Church or arose independently of the Church and rejected the authority of the Church are outside the permanent tradition from the apostles.
Well, for the gazillionth time, show it to us...
Exactly...The church is the body, the people, not the head...
The church who preaches this is the Church.
The church who adds to this is NOT the church.
Roman Catholicism cannot, no matter how badly it wants to, cannot point to Scripture and show all of its beliefs. Hence Roman Catholicism is NOT the church founded by Christ and preached and written about by the Apostles.
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Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.
Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 417). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.
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2. What became the established supreme authoritative source for testing Truth claims: oral transmission or "it is written/Scripture?"
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John 5:47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
2 Timothy 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Word search on “write” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.
Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”
Exodus 34:1 [ The Two Tablets Replaced ] Now the Lord said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.
Exodus 34:27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
Numbers 5:23 ‘The priest shall then write these curses on a scroll, and he shall wash them off into the water of bitterness.
Numbers 17:2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and get from them a rod for each father’s household: twelve rods, from all their leaders according to their fathers’ households. You shall write each name on his rod,
Numbers 17:3 and write Aaron’s name on the rod of Levi; for there is one rod for the head of each of their fathers’ households.
Deuteronomy 6:9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deuteronomy 10:2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered, and you shall put them in the ark.’
Deuteronomy 11:20 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates,
Deuteronomy 17:18 “Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests.
Deuteronomy 24:1 [ Law of Divorce ] “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,
Deuteronomy 24:3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,
Deuteronomy 27:3 and write on them all the words of this law, when you cross over, so that you may enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, promised you.
Deuteronomy 27:8 You shall write on the stones all the words of this law very distinctly.”
Deuteronomy 31:19 “Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.
Joshua 18:4 Provide for yourselves three men from each tribe that I may send them, and that they may arise and walk through the land and write a description of it according to their inheritance; then they shall return to me.
Ezra 5:6 [ Adversaries write to Darius ] This is the copy of the letter which Tattenai, the governor of the province beyond the River, and Shethar-bozenai and his colleagues the officials, who were beyond the River, sent to Darius the king.
Ezra 5:10 We also asked them their names so as to inform you, and that we might write down the names of the men who were at their head.
Esther 8:8 [ The King’s Decree Avenges the Jews ] Now you write to the Jews as you see fit, in the king’s name, and seal it with the king’s signet ring; for a decree which is written in the name of the king and sealed with the king’s signet ring may not be revoked.”
Job 13:26 “For You write bitter things against me And make me to inherit the iniquities of my youth.
Psalm 45:1 [ A Song Celebrating the King’s Marriage. ] [ For the choir director; according to the Shoshannim. A Maskil of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love. ] My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
Proverbs 3:3 Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart.
Proverbs 7:3 Bind them on your fingers; write them on the tablet of your heart.
Ecclesiastes 12:10 The Preacher sought to find delightful words and to write words of truth correctly.
Isaiah 8:1 [ Damascus and Samaria Fall ] Then the Lord said to me, “Take for yourself a large tablet and write on it in ordinary letters: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey.
Isaiah 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest will be so small in number That a child could write them down.
Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it on a tablet before them And inscribe it on a scroll, That it may serve in the time to come As a witness forever.
Isaiah 44:5 “This one will say, ‘I am the Lord’s’; And that one will call on the name of Jacob; And another will write on his hand, ‘Belonging to the Lord,’ And will name Israel’s name with honor.
Jeremiah 22:30 “Thus says the Lord, ‘write this man down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.’”
Jeremiah 30:2 “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘write all the words which I have spoken to you in a book.
Jeremiah 31:33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 36:2 “Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nations, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day.
Jeremiah 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, “Tell us, please, how did you write all these words? Was it at his dictation?”
Jeremiah 36:28 “Take again another scroll and write on it all the former words that were on the first scroll which Jehoiakim the king of Judah burned.
Ezekiel 24:2 “Son of man, write the name of the day, this very day. The king of Babylon has laid siege to Jerusalem this very day.
Ezekiel 37:16 “And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’
Ezekiel 37:20 The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
Ezekiel 43:11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.
Mark 10:4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
Luke 1:3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
Luke 16:6 And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’
Luke 16:7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ He *said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’
John 19:21 So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews.’”
Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
Acts 25:26 Yet I have nothing definite about him to write to my lord. Therefore I have brought him before you all and especially before you, King Agrippa, so that after the investigation has taken place, I may have something to write.
Romans 10:5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
Romans 16:22 I, Tertius, who write this letter, greet you in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 4:14 I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children.
1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.
2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end;
2 Corinthians 9:1 [ God Gives Most ] For it is superfluous for me to write to you about this ministry to the saints;
Philippians 3:1 [ The Goal of Life ] Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.
Colossians 4:18 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my imprisonment. Grace be with you.
1 Thessalonians 4:9 Now as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another;
2 Thessalonians 3:17 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, and this is a distinguishing mark in every letter; this is the way I write.
1 Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
Philemon 1:21 Having confidence in your obedience, I write to you, since I know that you will do even more than what I say.
Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And I will write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people.
Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws upon their heart, And on their mind I will write them,” He then says,
1 John 1:4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.
2 John 1:12 Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.
3 John 1:13 I had many things to write to you, but I am not willing to write them to you with pen and ink;
Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
Revelation 1:11 saying, “write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:19 Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.
Revelation 2:1 [ Message to Ephesus ] The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:
Revelation 2:8 [ Message to Smyrna ] “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:
Revelation 2:12 [ Message to Pergamum ] “And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:
Revelation 2:18 [ Message to Thyatira ] “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:
Revelation 3:1 [ Message to Sardis ] He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
Revelation 3:7 [ Message to Philadelphia ] “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:
Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
Revelation 3:14 [ Message to Laodicea ] “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
Revelation 10:4 When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
Revelation 19:9 Then he *said to me, “write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”
Revelation 21:5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “write, for these words are faithful and true.”
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Joshua 8:31 just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings.
2 Samuel 1:18 and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.
2 Kings 23:21 [ Passover Reinstituted ] Then the king commanded all the people saying, “Celebrate the Passover to the Lord your God as it is written in this book of the covenant.”
2 Chronicles 23:18 Moreover, Jehoiada placed the offices of the house of the Lord under the authority of the Levitical priests, whom David had assigned over the house of the Lord, to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord, as it is written in the law of Moses—with rejoicing and singing according to the order of David.
2 Chronicles 25:4 However, he did not put their children to death, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, which the Lord commanded, saying, “Fathers shall not be put to death for sons, nor sons be put to death for fathers, but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”
2 Chronicles 31:3 [ Reforms Continued ] He also appointed the king’s portion of his goods for the burnt offerings, namely, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and for the new moons and for the fixed festivals, as it is written in the law of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 35:12 Then they removed the burnt offerings that they might give them to the sections of the fathers’ households of the lay people to present to the Lord, as it is written in the book of Moses. They did this also with the bulls.
Ezra 3:2 Then Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brothers the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and his brothers arose and built the altar of the God of Israel to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the law of Moses, the man of God.
Ezra 3:4 They celebrated the Feast of Booths, as it is written, and offered the fixed number of burnt offerings daily, according to the ordinance, as each day required;
Ezra 6:18 Then they appointed the priests to their divisions and the Levites in their orders for the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the book of Moses.
Nehemiah 8:15 So they proclaimed and circulated a proclamation in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, “Go out to the hills, and bring olive branches and wild olive branches, myrtle branches, palm branches and branches of other leafy trees, to make booths, as it is written.”
Nehemiah 10:34 Likewise we cast lots for the supply of wood among the priests, the Levites and the people so that they might bring it to the house of our God, according to our fathers’ households, at fixed times annually, to burn on the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law;
Nehemiah 10:36 and bring to the house of our God the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, and the firstborn of our herds and our flocks as it is written in the law, for the priests who are ministering in the house of our God.
Psalm 40:7 Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
Isaiah 65:6 “Behold, it is written before Me, I will not keep silent, but I will repay; I will even repay into their bosom,
Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this calamity has come on us; yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our iniquity and giving attention to Your truth.
Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “it is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”
Matthew 4:6 and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”
Matthew 11:10 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’
Matthew 21:13 And He *said to them, “it is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.”
Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered.’
Mark 1:2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way;
Mark 7:6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
Mark 9:13 But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”
Mark 14:21 For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Mark 14:27 And Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away, because it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.’
Luke 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”),
Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, “it is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”
Luke 4:8 Jesus answered him, “it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
Luke 4:10 for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You to guard You,’
Luke 7:27 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’
Luke 19:46 saying to them, “it is written, ‘And My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a robbers’ den.”
Luke 24:46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
John 6:31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’”
John 6:45 it is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
John 12:14 Jesus, finding a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written,
Acts 1:20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his homestead be made desolate, And let no one dwell in it’; and, ‘Let another man take his office.’
Acts 7:42 But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘It was not to Me that you offered victims and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel?
Acts 15:15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
Acts 23:5 And Paul said, “I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”
Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
Romans 2:24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
Romans 3:4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “That You may be justified in Your words, And prevail when You are judged.”
Romans 3:10 as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;
Romans 4:17 (as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.
Romans 8:36 Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
Romans 9:13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Romans 9:33 just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
Romans 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”
Romans 11:8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, Eyes to see not and ears to hear not, Down to this very day.”
Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
Romans 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
Romans 15:3 For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me.”
Romans 15:9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, “Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles, And I will sing to Your name.”
Romans 15:21 but as it is written, “They who had no news of Him shall see, And they who have not heard shall understand.”
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
1 Corinthians 1:31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, And which have not entered the heart of man, All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”;
1 Corinthians 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He?
1 Corinthians 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play.”
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
2 Corinthians 8:15 as it is written, “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little had no lack.”
2 Corinthians 9:9 as it is written, “He scattered abroad, he gave to the poor, His righteousness endures forever.”
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”
Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—
Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
Galatians 4:27 For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For more numerous are the children of the desolate Than of the one who has a husband.”
Hebrews 10:7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (In the scroll of the book it is written of Me) To do Your will, O God.’”
1 Peter 1:16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” Word search on “book of the Law” from Logos Bible software using NASB translation.
Deut 29:21 which are written in this book of the law
. Deut 30:10 which are written in this book of the law
, if you turn to the LORD your God Deut 31:26 “Take this book of the law
and place it beside the ark of the Josh 1:8 “This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth,
Josh 8:31 Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones
Josh 8:34 to all that is written in the book of the law
. Josh 23:6 and do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, so that you may not turn
Josh 24:26 Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law
of God; and he took a large stone 2 Kings 22:8 the scribe, “I have found the book of the law
in the house of the LORD.” And 2 Kings 22:11 the king heard the words of the book of the law , he tore his clothes.
2 Chron 17:9 They taught in Judah, having the book of the law of the LORD with them; and they
2 Chron 34:14 , Hilkiah the priest found the book of the law
of the LORD given by Moses. 2 Chron 34:15 the scribe, “I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD.” And
Neh 8:1 Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses which the LORD had given
Neh 8:3 the people were attentive to the book of the law .
Neh 8:18 He read from the book of the law
of God daily, from the first day Neh 9:3 their place, they read from the book of the law of the LORD their God for a fourth
Gal 3:10 by all things WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW , TO PERFORM THEM.”
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Exodus 24:7 Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!”
Deuteronomy 17:19 It shall be with him and he shall read it all the days of his life, that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, by carefully observing all the words of this law and these statutes,
Deuteronomy 31:11 when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place which He will choose, you shall read this law in front of all Israel in their hearing.
Joshua 8:34 Then afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessing and the curse, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Joshua 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers who were living among them.
2 Kings 5:7 When the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his clothes and said, “Am I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man is sending word to me to cure a man of his leprosy? But consider now, and see how he is seeking a quarrel against me.”
2 Kings 19:14 [ Hezekiah’s Prayer ] Then Hezekiah took the letter from the hand of the messengers and read it, and he went up to the house of the Lord and spread it out before the Lord.
2 Kings 22:8 [ The Lost Book ] Then Hilkiah the high priest said to Shaphan the scribe, “I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord.” And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan who read it.
2 Kings 22:10 Moreover, Shaphan the scribe told the king saying, “Hilkiah the priest has given me a book.” And Shaphan read it in the presence of the king.
2 Kings 22:16 thus says the Lord, “Behold, I bring evil on this place and on its inhabitants, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah has read .
2 Kings 23:2 The king went up to the house of the Lord and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 34:18 Moreover, Shaphan the scribe told the king saying, “Hilkiah the priest gave me a book.” And Shaphan read from it in the presence of the king.
2 Chronicles 34:24 thus says the Lord, “Behold, I am bringing evil on this place and on its inhabitants, even all the curses written in the book which they have read in the presence of the king of Judah.
2 Chronicles 34:30 The king went up to the house of the Lord and all the men of Judah, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the priests, the Levites and all the people, from the greatest to the least; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the Lord.
Ezra 4:18 the document which you sent to us has been translated and read before me.
Ezra 4:23 Then as soon as the copy of King Artaxerxes’ document was read before Rehum and Shimshai the scribe and their colleagues, they went in haste to Jerusalem to the Jews and stopped them by force of arms.
Nehemiah 8:3 He read from it before the square which was in front of the Water Gate from early morning until midday, in the presence of men and women, those who could understand; and all the people were attentive to the book of the law.
Nehemiah 8:8 They read from the book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so that they understood the read ing.
Nehemiah 8:18 He read from the book of the law of God daily, from the first day to the last day. And they celebrated the feast seven days, and on the eighth day there was a solemn assembly according to the ordinance.
Nehemiah 9:3 While they stood in their place, they read from the book of the law of the Lord their God for a fourth of the day; and for another fourth they confessed and worshiped the Lord their God.
Nehemiah 13:1 [ Foreigners Excluded ] On that day they read aloud from the book of Moses in the hearing of the people; and there was found written in it that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever enter the assembly of God,
Esther 6:1 [ The King Plans to Honor Mordecai ] During that night the king could not sleep so he gave an order to bring the book of records, the chronicles, and they were read before the king.
Isaiah 29:11 The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, “Please read this,” he will say, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”
Isaiah 29:12 Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, “Please read this.” And he will say, “I cannot read .”
Isaiah 34:16 Seek from the book of the Lord, and read : Not one of these will be missing; None will lack its mate. For His mouth has commanded, And His Spirit has gathered them.
Isaiah 37:14 [ Hezekiah’s Prayer in the Temple ] Then Hezekiah took the letter from the hand of the messengers and read it, and he went up to the house of the Lord and spread it out before the Lord.
Jeremiah 29:29 Zephaniah the priest read this letter to Jeremiah the prophet.
Jeremiah 36:1 [ Jeremiah’s Scroll read in the Temple ] In the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
Jeremiah 36:6 So you go and read from the scroll which you have written at my dictation the words of the Lord to the people in the Lord’s house on a fast day. And also you shall read them to all the people of Judah who come from their cities.
Jeremiah 36:10 Then Baruch read from the book the words of Jeremiah in the house of the Lord in the chamber of Gemariah the son of Shaphan the scribe, in the upper court, at the entry of the New Gate of the Lord’s house, to all the people.
Jeremiah 36:13 Micaiah declared to them all the words that he had heard when Baruch read from the book to the people.
Jeremiah 36:14 Then all the officials sent Jehudi the son of Nethaniah, the son of Shelemiah, the son of Cushi, to Baruch, saying, “Take in your hand the scroll from which you have read to the people and come.” So Baruch the son of Neriah took the scroll in his hand and went to them.
Jeremiah 36:15 They said to him, “Sit down, please, and read it to us.” So Baruch read it to them.
Jeremiah 36:21 Then the king sent Jehudi to get the scroll, and he took it out of the chamber of Elishama the scribe. And Jehudi read it to the king as well as to all the officials who stood beside the king.
Jeremiah 36:23 When Jehudi had read three or four columns, the king cut it with a scribe’s knife and threw it into the fire that was in the brazier, until all the scroll was consumed in the fire that was in the brazier.
Jeremiah 51:61 Then Jeremiah said to Seraiah, “As soon as you come to Babylon, then see that you read all these words aloud,
Matthew 12:3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,
Matthew 12:5 Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 21:16 and said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” And Jesus *said to them, “Yes; have you never read , ‘Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies You have prepared praise for Yourself’?”
Matthew 21:42 Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, This became the chief corner stone; This came about from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
Matthew 22:31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:
Mark 2:25 And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry;
Mark 12:10 Have you not even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected, This became the chief corner stone;
Mark 12:26 But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
Luke 4:16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read .
Luke 6:3 And Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him,
Luke 10:26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”
Acts 13:27 For those who live in Jerusalem, and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning Him.
Acts 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 15:31 When they had read it, they rejoiced because of its encouragement.
Acts 23:34 When he had read it, he asked from what province he was, and when he learned that he was from Cilicia,
2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end;
2 Corinthians 3:2 You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
2 Corinthians 3:15 But to this day whenever Moses is read , a veil lies over their heart;
Ephesians 3:4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
Colossians 4:16 When this letter is read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and you, for your part read my letter that is coming from Laodicea.
1 Thessalonians 5:27 I adjure you by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brethren.
If you answer “yes”, quote scripture.
If your answer is “no”, quote scripture.
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When did you begin thinking scripture was necessary??
Yes, as God designed sexual relations to produce offspring, (Gn. 1:22) which union is only sanctified in marriage, (Gn. 2:24; Mt. 19:4-6) and in which this union is enjoined, (1 Corinthians 7:3-5) as is procreation and exhorted, (Gn. 1:26-28) and which lifelong covenant provides the security for this vulnerable opening up to each other, and for the natural result, that of children, as being a blessing from the Lord, a reward not a curse, and the more the better, (Ps. 127:3-5; Gn. 8:17; 9:1,7; 17:16,20; 22:17,18; 24:60; 26:3,4,24; 33:5; 49:25; Lv 26:9; 1Ch 4:10; 26:5; Job 42:12; Ps 107:38;) which are to be brought to Christ.
Thus to thwart or seek to avoid this God-ordained purpose - even by "natural planning," is to act contrary to the design, purpose, precept and principle of God, which is the primary if not exclusive purpose of marriage. The only practice that can avoid conception is that of temperance - a principle that applies to eating etc. as well- yet not in order to avoid having children but to focus on prayer and as having mastery over the body. (1 Corinthians 7:5; 9:25)
Whichever answer you give, if you’re brave enough, I’ll bet your little prot posse is divided. And a house divided cannot stand.
As is yours, yet your church - excuse me, as we know what what pope-led church you belong to - manifestly considers even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures to be members in life and in death. The likes of you however, are the more doubtful. And the vast majority of Catholics attest to having used contraception and with only about 30 percent saying contraception is morally wrong. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html#MORAL)
Meanwhile, classic evangelical commentators as Matthew Henry had this to day:
Children are a heritage, and a reward, and are so to be accounted, blessings and not burdens; for he that sends mouths will send meat if we trust in him. Obed-edom had eight sons, for the Lord blessed him because he had entertained the ark, 1Ch_26:5. Children are a heritage for the Lord, as well as from him; they are my children (says God) which thou hast borne unto me (Eze_16:20); and they are most our honour and comfort when they are accounted to him for a generation. 2. That they are a good gift, and a great support and defence to a family: As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man, who knows how to use them for his own safety and advantage, so are children of the youth, that is, children born to their parents when they are young, which are the strongest and most healthful children, and are grown up to serve them by the time they need their service; or, rather, children who are themselves young; they are instruments of much good to their parents and families, which may fortify themselves with them against their enemies. The family that has a large stock of children is like a quiver full of arrows, of different sizes we may suppose, but all of use one time or other; children of different capacities and inclinations may be several ways serviceable to the family. He that has a numerous issue may boldly speak with his enemy in the gate in judgment; in battle he needs not fear, having so many good seconds, so zealous, so faithful, and in the vigour of youth, 1Sa_2:4, 1Sa_2:5. Observe here, Children of the youth are arrows in the hand, which, with prudence, may be directed aright to the mark, God's glory and the service of their generation; but afterwards, when they have gone abroad into the world, they are arrows out of the hand; it is too late to bend them then. But these arrows in the hand too often prove arrows in the heart, a constant grief to their godly parents, whose gray hairs they bring with sorrow to the grave. (On Ps. 127)
Or you could go here , by the grace of God. Ex. 17:14; 24:4,7,12; 31:18; 32:15; 34:1,27; 35:29; Lv. 8:36; 10:10,11; 26:46; Num. 4:5,37,45,49; 9:23; 10:13; 15:23; 16:40; 27:23; 33:2; 36:13; Dt. 4:13; 5:22; 9:10; 10:2,4; 17:18,19; 27:3,8; 28:58,61; 29:20,21,27; 30:10; 31:9,11,19,22,26; 33:4; Josh. 1:7,8; 8:31,32,34,35; 10:13; 14:2; 20:2; 21:2; 22:5,9; 23:6; 24:26; Jdg. 3:4; 1Sam. 10:25; 2Sam. 1:8; 1Ki. 2:3; 8:53,56; 12:22; 2Ki. 1:8; 14:6; 17:37; 22:8,10,13,16; 23:2,21; 1Ch. 16:40; 17:3,9; 2Ch. 17:9; 23:18; 25:4; 31:3; 33:8; 34:13-16,18,19,21,24; 34:30; 35:6,12; Ezra 3:2,4; 6:18; Neh. 6:6; 8:1,3,8,15,18; 9:3,14; 10:34,36; 13:1; Psa. 40:7; Is. 8:20; 30:8; 34:16; 65:6; Jer. 17:1; 25:13; 30:2; 36:2,6,10,18,27,28; 51:60; Dan. 9:11,13; Hab. 2:2;
Mat. 1:22; 2:5,15,17,18; 3:3; 4:4,6,7,10,14,15; 5:17,18,33,38,43; 8:4,17; 9:13; 11:10; 12:3,5,17-21,40,41; 13:14,15,35; 14:3,4,7-9;19:4,5,17-19; 21:4,5,13,16,42; 22:24,29,31,32,37,39,43,44; 23:35;24:15; 26:24,31,54,56; 27:9,10,35; Mark 1:2,44; 7:3,10; 9:12,13; 10:4,5; 11:17; 12:10,19,24,26 13:14; 14:21,47,49; 15:28; Lk. 2:22,23.24; 3:4,5,6; 4:4,6-8,10,12,16,17,18,20,25-27; 5:14; 7:27; 8:10; 10:26,27; 16:29,31; 18:20,31; 19:46; 20:17,18, 28,37,42,43; 22:37; 23:30; 24:25.27,32,44,45,46; Jn. 1:45; 2:17,22; 3:14; 5:39,45-47; 6:31,45; 7:19,22,23,38,42,51,52; 8:5,17; 9:26; 10:34,35; 12:14,15,38-41; 15:25; 17:12; 19:24,28,36,37; 20:9,31; 21:24; Acts 1:20; 2:16-21,25-28,34,35; 3:22,23,25; 4:11,25,26; 7:3,7,27,28,32,33,37,40,42,43,49,50,53; 8:28,30,32,33; 10:43;13:15,27,29,33,39; 15:5,15-17,21; 17:2,11; 18:13.24,28; 21:20,24; 22:12; 23:3,5; 24:14; 26:22; 28:23,26,27; Rom 1:2,17; 2:10-21,31; 4:3,7,17,18,23,24; 5:13; 7:1-3,7,12,14,16; 8:4,36; 9:4,9,12,13,15,17,25-29,33; 10:11,15,19; 11:2-4,8,9,26,27; 12:19,20; 13:8-10; 14:11; 15:3,4,9-12,21; 16:16,26,27; 1Cor. 1:19,31; 2:9; 3:19,20; 4:6; 6:16; 7:39; 9:9,10; 10:7,11,26,28; 14:21,34; 15:3,4,32,45,54,55; 2Cor. 1:13; 2:3,4; 3:7,15; 4:13; 6:2;16; 7:12; 8:15; 9:9; 10:17; 13:1; Gal. 3:6,8,10-13; 4:22,27,30; 5:14; Eph. 3:3,4; (cf. 2Pt. 3:16); Eph. 4:8; 5:31; 6:2,3; (cf. Dt. 5:16); Col. 4:16; 1Thes. 5:27; 1Tim. 5:18; 2Tim. 3:14,16,17; Heb. 1:5,7-13; 2:5-8,12,13; 3:7-11,15; 4:3,4,7; 5:5,6; 6:14; 7:17,21,28; 8:5,8-13; 9:20; 10:5-916,17,28,30,37; 11:18; 12:5,6,12,26,29; 13:5,6,22; James 2:8,23; 4:5; 1Pet. 1:16,24,25; 2:6,7,22; 3:10-12; 5:5,12; 2Pet. 1:20,21; 2:22; 3:1,15,16; 1Jn. 1:4; 2:1,7,8,12,13,21;
I just like to post the verses so all can read. I know some of our RC friends don't do these kinds of proofs.
Ouch.
I have read some very thought provoking material on the subjects of “adult” and “infant” baptism as well as “sacrament versus ordinance” with respect to the rite. And I do not question its importance, nor do I relegate it to a place less important than faith. They must work together.
Purgatory is another matter. I have read scripture that has been held by many to substantiate its existence, but I am not yet ready to accept it. And I am certainly not going to debate it.
I thank you for your insights, that is one the most important reasons for coming to fora like these.
You cannot spew a chase since you are standing in quicksand, sinking fast, into the hell that Catholicism sucks you into for adding works to Christ Alone for being born again.
But WHY would you care one way or the other?
Why do you even pay attention to him?
Why on earth do you even LISTEN to him?
Why is what HE says so important to you?
Apparently what HE says is SO HUGE that you even THINK about him.
It makes NO sense.
I might start being amused at you ANGST about him.
Yet YOU pay VERY close attention to him and to whatever he says, whenever he speaks. One wonders why you do if he is such anathema to you.
Usually more sane humans avoid what they despise. They try to AVOID dealing with the detested. There has to be a sane reason why you are so preoccupied with his every utterance.
Could it possibly be that he hits a nerve in you when he speaks and you simply CANNOT ignore his words? I think that might be it. Maybe that's a sign.
Your pope is ‘the weakest link’ in the chain of fraudulent Christianity as promulgated by the Roman Catholic religion. Your confusion can be sourced at the popery.
And if someone repeatedly found himself intoxicated and lying face down in a gutter, and a Protestant approached him and offered him a better way, that recovering alcoholic might very well become a fervent Protestant, for the simple reason that Protestantism makes infinitely more sense than his previous life of falling asleep in a gutter.
But if someone were to approach Christianity from the outside (say, as a Jew, a Moslem, an atheist, or an agnostic) in an honest search for Truth, then he could never become a fervent Protestant, for the simple reason that it adheres to Sola Scriptura. Two people of equal piety and intellect could read the same passage in the Bible and walk away with two completely different understandings of what the writer of that passage actually meant; and they have nobody to explain it to them.
Sola Scriptura is simply untenable to the rational mind.
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