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Vatican official: I’d ‘hold hand’ of person dying from assisted suicide
Crux ^ | December 10, 2019 | Inés San Martín

Posted on 12/11/2019 12:57:47 PM PST by ebb tide

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1 posted on 12/11/2019 12:57:47 PM PST by ebb tide
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2 posted on 12/11/2019 1:02:09 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

when I get incapacitated and no hope...I want to be put out of my misery....I’ve told my kids to shoot me up with fentynal or something to kill me quickly


3 posted on 12/11/2019 1:06:42 PM PST by SPRINK (G)
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To: ebb tide

Wow.. this isn’t my Daddy’s catholic church anymore.


4 posted on 12/11/2019 1:12:34 PM PST by ScottinVA (Out of Virginia in 2021.)
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To: ebb tide

Part of the job description is “comfort the dying” - regardless of why they are.
This is not an inherent approval of “assisted suicide”.


5 posted on 12/11/2019 1:13:56 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: ebb tide
Paglia noted that the Church says there’s no certainty that even the apostle Judas, who betrayed Jesus before killing himself, is in Hell.

“For a Catholic to say so, it’s heresy,” he said.

"When I was with them I protected them in your name that you gave me, and I guarded them, and none of them was lost except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled."--John 17:12

"The effectiveness of Christ’s protection is complete, because none of them is lost: my sheep hear my voice (John 10:27); and no man will pluck them out of my hand (John 10:28); everyone who . . . believes in him, may have eternal life (John 6:40). One person is excluded, that is, the son of perdition, Judas. He is called the son of perdition as though foreknown and foreordained to eternal perdition. In this way those destined to die are called the sons of death: you are the sons of death (1 Sam 26:16); you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte . . . and you make him a son of death twice as much as yourself (Matt 23:15)."--St. Thomas Aquinas, commentary on John 17:12

6 posted on 12/11/2019 1:16:05 PM PST by Fedora
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To: ebb tide

I think the mystery here for me is why this would be a news story. Of course I would comfort anyone whom was going into God’s arms through death, be it suicide or not. Do I believe that I’ll be the last comfort they’ll have if they commit suicide? Absolutely. I’m very sorry that their selfishness will condemn them to hell.

It is God’s choice when you die, not yours, not the doctor’s, and certainly no the insurance company’s. I can also respect and hope God forgives their refusal of resuscitation and life support. But to me, that also is a form of suicide. I hope I’m wrong, as the idea of a robot preserving my life rather than my body also terrifies me. But if the Lord sends a life boat, it is our duty to step aboard.


7 posted on 12/11/2019 1:23:59 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ebb tide
because “no one is abandoned” by the Church.

HOGWASH!! Catholics have been abandoned by the church of rome!

8 posted on 12/11/2019 2:41:25 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ebb tide
If anyone would like a copy of the presentation I gave against Colorado's Physician Assisted Suicide bill, before it became law in 2018, please Private Message me with your e-mail address and I'll send my MS Word Doc.

It has many authoritative links and excerpts, including pages 4-6 with only secular arguments against the practice.

9 posted on 12/11/2019 3:28:40 PM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: ctdonath2
Part of the job description is “comfort the dying” - regardless of why they are.
This is not an inherent approval of “assisted suicide”.

True enough.

10 posted on 12/11/2019 4:06:43 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: kingu
I think the mystery here for me is why this would be a news story. Of course I would comfort anyone whom was going into God’s arms through death, be it suicide or not. Do I believe that I’ll be the last comfort they’ll have if they commit suicide? Absolutely. I’m very sorry that their selfishness will condemn them to hell.

It is God’s choice when you die, not yours, not the doctor’s, and certainly no the insurance company’s. I can also respect and hope God forgives their refusal of resuscitation and life support. But to me, that also is a form of suicide. I hope I’m wrong, as the idea of a robot preserving my life rather than my body also terrifies me. But if the Lord sends a life boat, it is our duty to step aboard.

Well put.

11 posted on 12/11/2019 4:08:08 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: ebb tide

Would he hold the hand of someone dying of the electric chair?


12 posted on 12/11/2019 4:08:12 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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13 posted on 12/11/2019 4:09:58 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: kingu

Could I have the Scripture that states a person who commits suicide is condemned to he’ll by God? Thank you


14 posted on 12/11/2019 4:10:30 PM PST by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: kingu
Of course I would comfort anyone whom was going into God’s arms through death, be it suicide or not.

Would you comfort a woman undergoing the voluntary abortion of her baby?

Both abortion and suicide are acts of murder.

15 posted on 12/11/2019 4:45:56 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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“Thou shalt not murder” -Exodus 20:13 & Deutoronomy 5:17
The term, “murder” implies not just killing, but premeditated murder, which would include killing yourself. Having contempt for life—your own or others. Suicide involves plenty of careful and wilful planning... Suicide is murder. No scripture exists stating committing it means automatic perdition of the soul, but if your last conscious thought is pure contempt for one’s own life and The Creator, as when committing suicide, there’s a great sign a soul is not fit for eternal harmony and peace with God.


16 posted on 12/11/2019 8:48:13 PM PST by hope_dies_last
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To: hope_dies_last

Did Christ die for our sins? All of them or some of them?


17 posted on 12/11/2019 8:53:44 PM PST by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice
Did Christ die for our sins? All of them or some of them?

Sounds like you're not a believer in Christ's warnings about many souls going to Hell.

Do you think He was just bluffing?

18 posted on 12/11/2019 9:03:30 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Do YOU think that when He said he died ONCE, for ALL sin, He was bluffing?


19 posted on 12/11/2019 9:06:04 PM PST by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice

He never said that.


20 posted on 12/11/2019 9:07:26 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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