Posted on 11/25/2019 3:42:33 PM PST by ebb tide
Never said they were. However Eastern Catholics are and have the same clerical tradition as the Orthodox.
Well let the married men jump over to the Eastern Catholic Churches.
The Easter Catholics don’t pass out Communion in the Paw nor on the Hoof. Nor do they, I believe, have altar chicks.
Why not emulate them in that respect also?
The Catholic Church is not the Roman Empire Church. You seem to be dealing in anachronisms.
Perhaps you are channeling James Martin, SJ. Objectively, I think he is apostate; but these days, “one never knows, do one?”
That's 21 of the 22 Catholic Churches in communion with the See of Rome.
No married bishops, however.
See Post #23.
I’m tired of this cafeteria catholicism. It’s now being practiced in the Amazon and Germany.
I have talked to two Priests about this [one is a Jesuit so he sorta of counts] both see this as married Priests who left the church following the laicized rules and just didn’t walk away, will be welcomed back first as married Deacons, then will be readmitted to the full Priesthood.
Both guys didn’t think the numbers will be significant, but it will open the door for other Priests to return to the flock.
His role was analogous, in a way, to the roles of Persian Kings Cyrus and Darius in Jewish history. They were not Jews, but they aided the Jewish people hugely and removed the boot of oppression from off their necks.
Let me add that Constantine was a pagan, not even a baptized Christian for most of his life. (A "just" pagan, like Cyrus, the just Gentile.) He played an exceedingly useful role in removing the boot of oppression from the neck of the Christian Church. Good emperor, then.
He was finally baptized on his deathbed, by a bishop of the Arian persuasion (Eusebius of Nicomedia).
I would call his baptism -- possibly ---dubious, since the Arians' Christology was screwed up. But that's a good topic for a panel discussion, I suppose. I give him his due, no more, no less.
With the accent on "helluva."
What do you mean by they “just didn’t walk away”?
Sounds like they did walk away to me.
Can we agree he actually gave us some of the words in the Nicene Creed? God bless
Even Orthodox and Eastern Catholic priests, who were ordained as priests as single men, are not now allowed to date or marry.
These ex-"priests" you speak of couldn't keep their vows; why would you expect them to keep their marriage vows?
You are right in your assessment. I don’t want an east vs west argument and use the ECC as an example for their western brethren (RCC).
I agree too much of the sacred nature of the Mass/Liturgy has been lost in recent decades and there needs to be a return to the traditional and respectful services of the past.
For the RCC I believe there were some very sad mistakes made around Vatican II. The turning around of the altar (this was not a council decision), the change to the Novus Ordo Mass. Maybe they should just have translated the Tridentine (possibly with some changes).
I love the tradition differences between churches and the Catholics have many different Rites and a fuller knowledge of them should help in the understanding and add beauty that has been slowly stripped away by “reformers”.
I don’t think it’s wise to have such obviously heterosexual men in the Catholic leadership.
It might give people the wrong idea.
It’s a “Tradition,” which makes it equal to the Bible.
There is tradition and Tradition.
Those with a capital are from the time of the Apostles and carry the weight of the Bible.
Many are just practices - the small t type (and got added in later) like the clergy being unmarried. These are open to change, but should only be done after proper discernment.
Big T never change
Small t can change as needed
But you'll have to show me a source. It is my understanding that Constantine convened the Council for the sake of peace and unity in the Empire ---guaranteed the attending bishops safe passage and in a few cases armed escort ---but neither attended, presided over, nor contributed to the Council itself.
How could he? At the time he wasn't even a Catechumen.
But let's see what ya got. I am not an expert on the highlights of the 4th century. I'm here to learn..
Just walk away - packed their belongings up and moved without informing their Bishop or Diocese. Some of the more radical Priests at Jesuit Colleges did not go through any separation process. They just left.
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