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As I stated before I am half Baptist and half Lutheran. I believe Lutheranism gets it right on living in grace. I like that they attach some mystery to things like communion. Where I am a baptist is more in the salvation side. I believe that Lutherans have a built in flaw in their belief system and that revolves around salvation at baptism. Lutherans talk like Baptists (I was raised Lutheran and taught it and believed it but I would not say I understood the salvation at baptism concept until I came back to it later in life after a 25 year journey in the Baptist church). I attend a bible based Sunday school class at my Lutheran church and people from many backgrounds attend it. Anyway, the flaw is that many people will talk about their conversion to Christ and the Lutheran talks about their baptism. There is no conversion moment for a Lutheran (confirmation really does not do it). So I believe the flaw is that it works well for people who are raised in the system but it is a conflicted theology where saving the lost is concerned. A new convert describes his salvation whereas the Lutheran points to his baptism. The Lutheran is happy and embraces salvation in others but I think that in the Baptist religion there is only one type of Christian and in Lutheranism there are two type - those Baptized and those who have a later salvation experience. I think this is their fatal flaw. I go to a Lutheran church now and like living in grace and enjoy the mysterious side of Christianity better ...but I embrace the Baptist approach that every person needs a personal saving repentance.


23 posted on 11/03/2019 2:23:02 AM PST by BRL
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Contuinuing on.... Because one is saved at Baptism, the Lutherans believe that you can lose your salvation....it is very hard to lose but it can be lost. The baptist does not believe you can lose your salvation because the salvation/repentance moment is a sealed contract (covenant?). Losing ones salvation is a bad thing - but the Lutherans must have it in their doctrine because of the infant baptism thing.


24 posted on 11/03/2019 2:28:24 AM PST by BRL
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Anyway, the flaw is that many people will talk about their conversion to Christ and the Lutheran talks about their baptism. There is no conversion moment for a Lutheran (confirmation really does not do it).

Thus few have been born again and thus they tend to vote more like Catholics.

31 posted on 11/03/2019 3:28:42 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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i don’t think there is any Lutheran who does not agree every person needs a personal saving repentance. If I were not Lutheran probably be baptist but most of all I am Christian. As Paul says i follow Christ


34 posted on 11/03/2019 3:51:18 AM PST by Mom MD (if)
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