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To: Mr Rogers
Perfected. Not partial. “Perfected for all time.”

You are conflating forgiveness with cleansing.

Hence, “It is finished!”

What was finished was the new paschal sacrifice which began at the Last Supper. If we were to take these words in an absolute sense the you would also have to say that faith itself is not necessary. Requiring this would also be adding to the saving work of Jesus.

I would also note the common Protestant tactic of quoting another scriptural passage while ignoring scriptural passages (in this case that of Jesus himself) which go against Protestant teaching.

52 posted on 11/02/2019 2:01:38 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“I would also note the common Protestant tactic of quoting another scriptural passage while ignoring scriptural passages (in this case that of Jesus himself) which go against Protestant teaching.”

Sorry I didn’t quote the entire Bible. But I’m sure you will post scripture showing we need a cleansing that has nothing to do with being forgiven. Except even Catholics generally agree the Bible doesn’t discuss Purgatory.

“You are conflating forgiveness with cleansing.”

No. You are creating an artificial difference, one unknown to scripture.

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation....For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” 2 Cor 5

Notice again: “if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation”. Not will someday be new, after being changed via the fire of Purgatory! He IS a new creation - “so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” There is therefor NOW no condemnation.

“31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us....” - Romans 8

If you are in Christ, you ARE secure. If you are not, then Hell itself cannot purify you!


59 posted on 11/02/2019 2:52:06 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Petrosius
>>Perfected. Not partial. “Perfected for all time.” <<

You are conflating forgiveness with cleansing.

The RC is not recognizing just what Christ has done for us.

13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13 NASB

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Paul writes further.....

19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister. Colossians 1:19-23 NASB

63 posted on 11/02/2019 4:24:12 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius
Hence, “It is finished!” What was finished was the new paschal sacrifice which began at the Last Supper. If we were to take these words in an absolute sense the you would also have to say that faith itself is not necessary. What was finished was the Atonement of Christ, by faith in whom believers are "washed, sanctified and justified, (1 Co. 6:11) and made "accepted in the Beloved" (on His account) and positionally seated together with their Lord in Heaven. (Ephesians 1:6; 2:6
 From  where they positionally await the Lord's return and His final subduing of our "vile body," that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body," (Philippians 3:21)and which is the only transformative change after this life that the Scriptures speak of.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Hebrews 10:11-14)


64 posted on 11/02/2019 4:26:58 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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