Posted on 10/18/2019 3:57:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
It still doesn't change what I wrote about the RC priesthood.
IF I were to wrong you in some way I would ask for your forgiveness and vice versa.
IF I were to break the law and say steal money from a bank and if I were caught, I'd have to do jail time. There are consequences to our actions.
But Christ has forgiven that.
We also confess our sin to Christ Who alone forgives....not a priest who gives a penance to "atone" for your sins. Christ has already offered the atonement.
Do we pray for each other? Yep. As James was writing to the believers on earth.....not addressing those believers who've gone on to Heaven.
And again....NONE of this goes through Mary. It only goes through and is from Christ.
You're so close to understanding the Truth.
NP. HTML can be unforgiving!
In my job I have to write code from time to time. It will give you what you ask for....not necessarily what you want!
Got it!
You're assuming that without a shred of evidence. You simply assume St.James thought that believers in Heaven are thenceforth excluded from the Body of Christ.
You're assuming that without a shred of evidence. You simply assume St.James thought that believers in Heaven are thenceforth excluded from the Body of Christ.
1James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.
Besides, even if he wasn't "addressing" the believers in heaven, what he said can be applied to them, in that he was talking "about" believers--- those who are in Christ --- aiding each other by prayer.
Make yourself clear, then. I ask: do you think that those dear ones in Heaven now love less, pray less, care less? Is it that they are now disabled from helping us, or that they simply don't care to anymore?
2 Maccabees 15 shows the martyred high priest Onias in heaven praying for the victory of the Israelites against the Greek idolaters, and the Prophet Jeremiah offering them, from God, the gift of a gold sword to defeat them.
It seems the blessed who went on before them, prayed and cared.
This raises the question of why, 1500+ years after this account was written and then accepted as Scripture by both Christians and the Greek Septuagint-reading Jews, certain European Gentiles decided to remove it from Scripture?
That's a different issue, but remains relevant.
The believers in Heaven do not communicate with us or vice versa.
We have the gift of the Holy Spirit for helping us in our prayers to God.
2 Maccabees 15 shows the martyred high priest Onias in heaven praying for the victory of the Israelites against the Greek idolaters, and the Prophet Jeremiah offering them, from God, the gift of a gold sword to defeat them.
A book rejected in the Hebrew OT canon. The apocrypha contains numerous errors counter to what is found in the NT....one of these is prayers for the dead.
This raises the question of why, 1500+ years after this account was written and then accepted as Scripture by both Christians and the Greek Septuagint-reading Jews, certain European Gentiles decided to remove it from Scripture?
Except it wasn't, but for another discussion.
No. The verse can only mean what the writer intended. He was writing to those believers dispersed at that time.
Now, the application can be applied to believers today; but context will determine the application. This is why the early church gathered together the written accounts...so we'd have a verifiable record to draw upon.
You're attempting to read RC theology back into the passage.
You were very close to the Truth in your prior posts. Now you're drifting again.
You write as if you are lecturing. By what authority do you make your statements?
Not intending for it to come across that way. It is intended as guiding. Often tone is lost in social media.
By what authority do you make your statements?
As a believer in Christ.
I'm currently enrolled in seminary classes as well if you want academic credentials.
How very deceitful, to twiat the post as if it reads like you assertion. Typical. The poster has not said those in heaven are not part of the body of Christ. If you had ever read 1Thess you would perhaps not practice to deceive
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I thought maybe you had been ordained by a Bishop in the unbroken line of Apostolic Succession founded by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But since you haven’t been, it’s all just your own personal opinion. And yes, you do come off as lecturing - certainly not “guiding.”
Sorry, but there is no unbroken line as claimed.
But since you haven’t been, it’s all just your own personal opinion.
It is biblically based.
If you'd care to post the official meaning of the verses in question from the Vatican I'd love to read them.
And yes, you do come off as lecturing - certainly not “guiding.”
As Rhett Butler said in Gone with the Wind, "I apologize for my shortcomings."
Why are your posts filled with hatred, animosity, accusations, and general malice? They are not intended to edify, but to beat over the head with words. That qualifies as verbal abuse. Every time I open the FR homepage, there you are on a religion post, bashing someone for their beliefs. It gets very tiresome. If I were not already a Christian, your witness would drive me in the opposite direction. What is it about the word “charity” that you don’t understand? Go back and read St. Paul yourself: “Now the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindnessss, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,self control ...” Gal. 5:22
Why would I bother to post anything “from the Vatican?” You don’t really want to know. You just want to argue, to prove to yourself that you are right.
And there is an unbroken line. It is a historical fact, whether you acknowledge it or not.
Wow....you've already lost the argument with this post.
When you've got nothing....bluster.
Good talking to you. Really don't have the time today for you.
Are we to presume you approve of the plethora of articles posted daily by a Roman Catholic that bash the pope?
I've yet to see you speak out against that "pope bashing" so common among Roman Catholics.
There is NO UNBROKEN line from the Apostles. You are ripe for the ‘all signs and lying wonders’ coming soon to the planet near you.
You aren’t Catholic, so why should you care why Catholics bash or don’t bash the Pope? There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Benedict XVI was forced to resign; ergo, Bergolio is not the Pope. And like I said, why should you care?
There is an unbroken line from the Apostes. It is historical fact. Saying I’m ripe for all the signs, etc. is very presumptious of you.
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