Posted on 09/14/2019 8:53:00 AM PDT by ebb tide
De Mattei: A Schismatic Synod on the Amazon?
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So what happens if this synod goes as intended? Do faithful bishops excommunicate the unfaithful ones? If Francis excommunicates the faithful bishops, will it be valid? I’m thinking not, but what a confusion for the Church!
Satan is smiling.
Does a bishop have to be excommunicated for a schism to be officially in effect?
In terms of beliefs and practices, we already have a split, so what makes the schism real?
A schism is a formal split over doctrine. It would entail necessarily some prelate(s) promoting a doctrine in conflict with Church doctrine, and rallying laity to follow along. It’s true that we have informal schism, where some are advocating a multitude of false doctrines. German bishops giving communion to ineligible parties. Fr. Martin openly advocating gay behavior as normal, and many other examples. I guess it’s not yet formal in that no one is loudly declaring that the miscreants are in schism. In a saner world, the Pope would be obligated to excommunicate, and thus declare a schism, but by now it’s clear, he is on the wrong side. So, we are pretty much there, but for the “first shot” that starts the fight.
The Churchs main problem is the the apostate who sits in the Chair of Peter. Bergoglio lost whatever faith he had years ago. Hes a typical Jesuit.Theres a reason there had never been a Jesuit pope. Most ignore the doctrine of the faith and do whatever they feel like doing. Tradition means nothing to them, everything is open for debate. Bergoglio does not believe in evangelizing. He does not believe the Catholic Church is the one, true faith. This was well-know when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires. I hope the church does split. Faithful, practicing Catholics against liberal, non-believers. But before that happens Bergoglio will wreck so much havoc on the church it will be unrecognizable. Thats the sad part. As the old saying goes Is the pope Catholic. IMHO absolutely not.
So the pope has a sort of “divine right of kings.” (separate from papal infallibility.) Who believes that, even among Catholics, in the 21st century? If you don’t believe in this papal supremacy, are you not Cath?
I don’t question he’s the validly elected pope. I do question his authority to give direct orders to the USA and UK to relinquish islands of strategic importance for world stability. I think it’s none of his darn business, like many if his political dictates. Does this make me excomuunicated or even a bad Catholic?
No, you’re not excommunicated for questioning the pope’s policies and statements. I agree that he is most probably validly elected (although conspiracy has been alleged, which calls that into question). Whether valid or not, everyone must proceed with him as if he were validly elected and validly serving, as happened with Obama. That said, desecration of a Church renders any church official impotent in carrying out his office, by canon law. That is, cannot make any official actions, appointments, etc. We have a lot of circumstantial evidence that Francis has done that a number of times. Another important issue with him is that he has made a number of statements that, if he sticks to them under questioning, would permit him to be declared formally a heretic. So, there is room to deal with him, but it is so complicated because as long as he is seen as valid, and has the backing of nearly half the cardinals, any efforts to rein him in will result in the plaintiffs being removed from their own posts and excommunicated themselves, with formal schism to boot. What a mess!
So, he has the power... whether or not he’s a heretic, a usurper, a prop, senile, a potentate, a visionary, or a pope in name only... he’s got almost despotic power and will keep using it for political purposes.
RE: The pope has the power
Yes and no. He will keep making appointments, keep saying lunatic comments, but every day fewer and fewer Catholics care what he thinks about anything, and they “vote” with their contributions. As my Dad used to say, “You have power if people think you have it.”
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