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To: ealgeone
But you leave out that in Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians what Paul is contrasting faith to in not the keeping of the moral law of God, but of circumcision and the Mosaic Law separated Jew and gentile.
You were running well; who hindered you from following [the] truth? That enticement does not come from the one who called you. A little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough. I am confident of you in the Lord that you will not take a different view, and that the one who is troubling you will bear the condemnation, whoever he may be. As for me, brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case, the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. Would that those who are upsetting you might also castrate themselves! (Galatians 5:7-12)
That the keeping of the moral law is necessary Paul makes clear:
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)
Of course there are also the many parables of our Lord that warn about the judgment of one's works. And as you said: "The Scriptures don't contradict themselves." Therefore the false idea of "faith alone" is disproven by Scripture.
54 posted on 09/11/2019 2:27:14 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Do not accept the Mark of the Beast when commanded to you. Repeat: Do not accept the Mark of the Beast when commanded to you, even if accompanied by signs and lying wonders.


77 posted on 09/11/2019 5:53:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Petrosius
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

The Greek behind this indicates those who practice these...that is, that is their life. A Christian is not going to practice these.

The NASB renders verse 21 as those who practice such things.

The Greek word used is πράσσω conveying the meaning of:properly, the active process in performing (accomplishing) a deed, and implying what is done as a regular practice – i.e. a routine or habit (cf. R. Trench).

It's not a single act but a lifestyle. Knowing the Greek helps clarify this passage.

IF a single act of sin would nullify your salvation then Paul is in trouble as well as he noted he struggled with something.

Of course there are also the many parables of our Lord that warn about the judgment of one's works. And as you said: "The Scriptures don't contradict themselves." Therefore the false idea of "faith alone" is disproven by Scripture.

Yet, Jesus told the people He met to believe in Him.

When Scripture speaks of judging the works of people it is in consideration of rewards in Heaven...not losing or keeping eternal life.

When Jesus met with Nicodemus what did He tell him?

Believe in Me and do x,y and z and you may inherit eternal life?

No.

He said this:

9Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things?

11“Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

12“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

13“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

14“As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

John 3:9-21 NASB

I again will ask, IF it is faith + works, how many "good" works do you have to do?

How do you know you've done the right ones?

79 posted on 09/11/2019 6:05:59 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius; ealgeone
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

101 posted on 09/11/2019 8:05:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Petrosius

Paul says ‘works’ and also ‘works of the law’ to refer to things that can’t save us.

He makes no reference at all to ‘works of the ceremonial law’ that can’t save us; he in fact refers to the Ten Commandments as works of the law.

Works can’t save us. Period.


171 posted on 09/12/2019 11:31:16 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Petrosius
Therefore the false idea of "faith alone" is disproven by Scripture.

Rather, as shown in posts of mine above, it is the false conception of sola fide that is disproven by Scripture. Meanwhile it is easy believism that so many Ted Kennedy RCS example, faith in Rome to get them to glory as long as they died as one of hers, and which Rome manifestly considers them to be in life and in death.

In contrast, listen to this powerful sermon, "Soldiers " by God's grace.

194 posted on 09/12/2019 12:28:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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