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To: Petrosius; Luircin
Could Scripture be any clearer in declaring that we are not saved by faith alone?

It's frustrating to keep asking this. Why isn't it getting through to you that the verse you say you are citing DOESN'T say what you keep telling us it's saying! Please find me a single verse in the entire Bible that says, "we are not saved by faith alone". It's NOT in there! I can show you dozens of verses that DO say we are saved by faith and not by our works - of ANY kind. So how is it you are adamant that we are not saved by faith alone?

If all you have that even comes close is James 2:24, then you are not only misquoting what that verse says, you are ripping it out of its context which is that our works justify our faith which is what we keep trying to explain. A "dead" faith is an unproductive, unfruitful kind of faith. It doesn't help anyone. James compares it to telling a brother who is hungry and naked that you'll pray for him but then you do nothing to meet his needs. What does it profit him? In the same way, James says, faith without works is dead. Abraham was justified, counted righteous, long before he offered Isaac to God. Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. And that IS in the Bible see Romans 4:9.

352 posted on 09/12/2019 9:46:42 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: boatbums; Petrosius; Luircin
Just going back once more to the two heuristic propositions that challenge the works-based theologian to make a decision:
FAITH + WORKS => SALVATION

or

FAITH + SALVATION => WORKS

Which do you choose as the operational principle?
Because of his lack of a proper Scripture-based hermeneutic prior to the time of the Reformation, the dogmatic Catholic must choose the first. Sadly, his only other option is to abandon the whole flimsy, clumsy Roman school of thought.
404 posted on 09/13/2019 8:51:29 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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