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To: Luircin; fidelis; Salvation
Paul also says "If I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." (1 Corinthians 13:2).

So even "ALL FAITH' gets you "nothing" if you have not love.

If we will allow Jesus to chime in for a moment here, He says: "If you love me, keep my commandments."

So it seems the commandments still retain a tad bit of relevance, somehow, despite our advanced theology.

I don't see where it says "Faith and bowl of pasta will get you eternal life," but we do have St. James saying "Faith without works is dead." (James 2:17).

This is probably a good illustration of the insufficiency of trying to prove things via one-liner proof-texting.

Paul made reference to "all of Scripture," not one-liners. So put that in your pasta-cooker, with a nice dollop of olive oil and grain of salt.

Tagline, to see the only place in Scripture where it says "faith alone"

175 posted on 09/12/2019 11:44:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." - James 2:24 (KJV))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Already answered that nonsense upthread.

Paul says clearly we’re not saved by works.

Are you claiming the Apostles contradict each other?


176 posted on 09/12/2019 11:48:47 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Also the interpretation of the church fathers of James 2 is identical to Luther’s interpretation and contradicts Roman Catholic interpretation.


177 posted on 09/12/2019 11:53:34 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“So it seems the commandments still retain a tad bit of relevance, somehow, despite our advanced theology.”

Context isn’t salvation.


187 posted on 09/12/2019 12:14:27 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Luircin; fidelis; Salvation
Paul also says "If I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." (1 Corinthians 13:2). So even "ALL FAITH' gets you "nothing" if you have not love. If we will allow Jesus to chime in for a moment here, He says: "If you love me, keep my commandments." So it seems the commandments still retain a tad bit of relevance, somehow, despite our advanced theology. I don't see where it says "Faith and bowl of pasta will get you eternal life," but we do have St. James saying "Faith without works is dead." (James 2:17). This is probably a good illustration of the insufficiency of trying to prove things via one-liner proof-texting. Paul made reference to "all of Scripture," not one-liners. So put that in your pasta-cooker, with a nice dollop of olive oil and grain of salt. Tagline, to see the only place in Scripture where it says "faith alone"

Are you serious or a sophist? Do you really believe after all this time that sola fide means that a faith that will not effect obedience is salvific, versus it being the faith that is behind works of faith that is was justifies, as explained and shown already?

As shown below, the idea of an inert dead faith being salvific is hardly one that is tenable according to Luther himself. However, you cannot confuse the effect of faith with its cause, any more than the effect of forgiveness in the story of the palsied man in Mk. 2 is to made the cause, even though as is sometimes the case with faith and works, to say one thing is to say the other.

And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. (Mark 2:8-11)

Martin Luher: "it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! "

266 posted on 09/12/2019 5:20:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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