Catholicism made me Protestant

First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

[MHGinTN]

You tell us. You are committing a grave sin on this thread, doubting the word of God. Have you remained ‘saved’ or are you in need of priestly restitution and priestly forgiveness?

[Luircin]

Nice response to avoid having to address your hypocrisy.

It’s absolute bull hockey to claim that what Paul REALLY means by ‘works of the law’ is only circumcision and ceremonial law, especially when Paul refers to doing the Ten Commandments as works of the law.

But you know, that doesn’t line up with Catholic propaganda, so I’m not surprised that you ignore it.

Catholic hypocrisy remains a constant.

[Luircin]

“Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.”

Sounds like faith alone to me, and that’s all the way back in Genesis too.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Faith in Christ’s sacrifice alone placemarker.

[2nd amendment mama]

Now there’s some hair splitting criteria that you have to be an actively participating member of said denomination, whatever that means.

Yeah, kind of like liberals who claim that a "fetus" isn't a "baby" for the purpose of abortion. Except.....when the "baby" is killed by someone other than an abortionist. Then it's a murder of a a woman's baby. Kinda like the definition of what the word "is" is. LOL

[infool7]

some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt:

I have no contempt for Non-Catholics but

If the shoe fits you better

you could probably wear it.

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[metmom]

No, that’s not what I said.

Faith alone is what saves and it is enough.

Lack of fruit is simply evidence that saving faith does not exist.

All the works do is demonstrate to US that saving faith has been exercised. God already knows. It proves nothing to Him.

If one slips up, repentance clears the air but since salvation is not lost, then it’s not a matter of getting your salvation back again, it’s just clearing the air.

It’s no different than if a child disobeys their parents. Lines of communication are broken, but the child is theirs regardless and can never become not part of the family they were born into. Even if the parents disown them, they are still children by birth and that cannot be changed.

[MHGinTN]

I like your tagline.

[metmom]

The irony somehow escapes them.

[MHGinTN]

Thou hypocrite.

[metmom]

Before the Law at that.

[2nd amendment mama]

Thank you! That was the motto for Second Amendment Sisters. I’ve used it as my tagline since 2001.

[imardmd1]

Doubtless someone has given you direction, but just be assured that Luther's key faith passag translated in the KJV is as follows (with my superscript notations):

Romans 1:16,17 (AV):

¹⁶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth¹; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
¹⁷ For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from² faith³ to faith⁴: as it is written⁵, The just⁶ shall live by faith⁷.

The verse from the Old Testament (which was the only written Scripture then existing) and being quoted here in Romans is:

Habakkuk 2:4 (AV):

² Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

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Notes:

¹ πιστεύω pisteuō pist-yoo'-o a verb, to place ones trust in a person, object, or principle
² εκ ek out of, on the basis of
³ πίστις pistis pis'-tis noun, (God's) principle of faith
⁴ same word but now referring to a person's ability to exercise faith

⁵ in the perfect tense, meaning once recorded as scripture but having ongoing permanent application
⁶ righteous, law-abiding person
⁷ personal committed trust in the trustworthiness of God/Jesus

Strong's Number G4102

πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis

Strong's Definition:
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

Thayer's Definition:
1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man’s relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it

1a) relating to God

1a1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ

1b) relating to Christ

1b1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God

1c) the religious beliefs of Christians

1d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same

2) fidelity, faithfulness

2a) the character of one who can be relied on

Part of Speech: noun feminine
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The gospel of Christ is that salvation is given to the person who wholly commits his/her trust in Jesus Christ based His--God's--righteous faithfulness to save the believer.

[rollo tomasi]

Still not an argument on Matthew 10 and Jacobs' Trouble. Made inquiries about Hebrews 10 also to others of your belief system, but Sola Scripturaist keep ignoring that teaching as well. Thus, have a good rest of the thread

[nobamanomore]

9 There’s no use arguing with a fool. He only rages and scoffs, and tempers flare.

That’s the only thing I have to add to this thread of foolishness.

[MHGinTN]

I really like the three! See you in the clouds

[Bulwyf]

Freeing. Yes sir, Jesus came to give us freedom, because he paid the price.

[Petrosius]

“Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.”

Sounds like faith alone to me, and that’s all the way back in Genesis too.

Quote the whole passage:

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-26)

Could Scripture be any clearer in declaring that we are not saved by faith alone?

[rollo tomasi]

Will do, we have more in common than you think. Just observe and experienced personally that our modern age has created a lot of excuse making (About people justifying some serious sins/bad behavior) that harms our society, mainly the family. Just continue to pray that everyone is good to others and seeks Christ out. God Bless.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Got to leave it alone for the time being. I'm calling through a list of 270 people for 40 Days for Life.

Meantime,I wouldn't set up a cage match between St. Paul and St. James, since for both the interpretive key seems to be "love." Faith w/o love = you're nothing. Works w/o love = dead. "Faith" seems to be something more like "faithfulness," which implies both faith and love and not just mental or verbal assent.