Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
That we cannot be saved by circumcision and the Mosaic Law.
But don't think being saved by grace gives us license to live like we ain't saved. If we aren't believers enough to change our lives, then we need to question if we really are believes (and by extension aren't saved).
So we are not saved by faith alone: faith must be accompanied with changing our lives, i.e. good works.
Paul says ‘examine yourselves whether you be in the faith. THAT should tell you that those who remain in sin are not in the faith to begin with. It is GOD Who is in you both to do and to will of HIS good pleasure. You are boguth with a rpice. You didn’t pay the price, Jesus did. It is He Who owns your soul and spirit ... and He said ‘raise up a child in the way that theu should go and they will not depart from it’. Is there a better parent than The Lord God Creator? How much credit do you demand from God for your eternal life? Or is it your eternal state of death that you are earning. You will exist eternally, in one state or the other.
You’d think but I tried that argument once and was soundly chastised for it.
Now there’s some hair splitting criteria that you have to be an actively participating member of said denomination, whatever that means.
It depends some on which Catholic you are talking to. For some FRomans on this board, not even other Catholics are Catholic enough for them.
They have more flavors of Catholicism that Carter has pills, or Prots have *denominations*.
OUCH!!!
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Philippians 3:2-15 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord.
For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
You owe me a new keyboard!!!
He makes no reference at all to ‘works of the ceremonial law’ that can’t save us; he in fact refers to the Ten Commandments as works of the law.
Works can’t save us. Period.
Therefore, you are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment. For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the very same things. We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true. Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God would lead you to repentance? By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. There is no partiality with God.Clearly here Paul is using the term "law" in two different ways. The Judaizers were insisting that the Gentiles needed to be circumcised and follow the Jewish Mosaic Law, something that Paul rejects. But when he says that the Gentiles are observing the prescriptions of the law, he cannot mean the same thing, for they were not being circumcised or following the Mosaic Law. This was the complaint of the Judaizers. Rather, here Paul is commending those Gentiles who are following the law described by the Ten Commandments, which merely restated what was already the universal law for all mankind.All who sin outside the law will also perish without reference to it, and all who sin under the law will be judged in accordance with it. For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified. For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people’s hidden works through Christ Jesus. (Romans 2:1-16)
Romans and Galatians is addressing the call for the new Gentile believers to be circumcised and follow the Mosaic Law. Protestants are misusing them to separate faith from the need to keep the moral law found in the Ten Commandments.
You’d think it was reasonable, but we all know that when it cones to Catholics there is no reasonable.
Why didn’t you answer his question?
It was......”Since you are so fond of this misinterpretation of James, what are the works YOU deem sufficient to add to the Righteousness of Christ on your behalf?”
So tell us.
And people who live like that aren’t saved, so he’s correct.
For the saved, then they’re good to go even when they do slip up.
If God’s Law that He handed down at Mt. Sinai could not save, then what law does?
So? We never said anything different.
When one is saved, one's life will show it.
But that does not mean the works save someone. It simply is the FRUIT of the salvation, not the cause of it.
Shall I get out the popcorn and lots of butter while we wait for an answer?
So faith alone is not enough!
For the saved, then they’re good to go even when they do slip up.
If one slips up, does one need to repent or can one go on without any remorse for serious sins and still be saved?
A rather interesting statement but not entirely correct. What is really in dispute is
2) whether, once being saved, our conduct is changed by God for good works based upon coming to know Christ.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Any good we do is a result of God working in our lives.
That’s HILARIOUS. And hypocritical, but also hilarious.
You spend all this time ranting about LOOOTHAAARRR ADDED WORDS and to try to ‘disprove’ him you decide to add ‘ceremonial law’ and ‘circimcision’ to Scripture to ‘prove’ what you claim instead.
I repeat: What a load of malarkey.
But Catholic hypocrisy remains EXTREMELY funny.
I didn’t interpret OR misinterpret James. I just quoted him.
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And I just quoted Paul when Paul says that we are NOT saved by works.
You’d better explain how you’re claiming that the Apostles aren’t contradicting each other when you’re claiming the opposite of what the Apostle Paul wrote.
So come on, *clap clap*. If you’re going to make a claim, you’d better provide evidence to back yourself up!
Roman Catholic hypocrisy is very funny.
Spend all this time ranting about LOOTHAR ADDED ALONE TO THE BIBLE and then to ‘prove’ their point they add ‘ceremonial’ to ‘works of the law.’
She will not deign to answer.
Nice response to avoid what Paul actually said.
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