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To: frnewsjunkie
If he had had an earthly father by natural means, Jesus would not have been the Perfect Sacrifice..

Did not Jesus have an earthly mother? Most protestants on this forum claim she was not a virgin and was a sinner, both in original sin and subsequent sins.

If Mary, the Blessed Mother, was such a sinner, how could Jesus Christ been the "Perfect Sacrifice"? Maybe some of your protestant buddies will try to rescue you, but it will be to no avail. She is blessed among women and so is the fruit of Her womb.

31 posted on 08/18/2019 10:00:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; frnewsjunkie
Most protestants on this forum claim she was not a virgin and was a sinner, both in original sin and subsequent sins.

Part of that is a FALSE statement! No one denies that Mary was a virgin who conceived and bore a son and His name is GOD WITH US (see Isaiah 7:14). What has been explained is that AFTER Jesus was born, Mary and her husband Joseph had a normal, Jewish, marriage and she bore additional children - Jesus' brothers and sisters. She was a virgin - as the prophecy proclaims - but did not remain one afterward. Nothing in Scripture backs up the claim that she was "ever virgin" and there is absolutely nothing sinful or wrong in that. As for her being a sinner saved by grace like all of us, that IS backed up by Scripture. ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)

Mary IS blessed among women (not ABOVE). She is honored, respected and praised for her faithfulness, courage and example. Jesus, because He is God incarnate (in the flesh) is why He was the perfect sacrifice - not because He needed a sinless mother in order to be. Just because some of us do not agree with the extra-biblical RC dogmas of Mary does NOT mean we hate or disrespect her. What will it take for you to grasp this finally???

33 posted on 08/18/2019 11:02:36 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: ebb tide

Please do not engage in false accusations and misrepresentations.

Not one non-Catholic has ever denied the virgin birth. There's a world of difference between the virgin birth and the alleged perpetual virginity of Mary.

If Mary, the Blessed Mother, was such a sinner, how could Jesus Christ been the "Perfect Sacrifice"?

Because the sin nature comes through the father, not the mother.

Besides, if Jesus could not have been born sinless because Mary was a sinner, then how could Mary be born sinless if HER parents were sinners?

36 posted on 08/19/2019 12:21:14 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide
Most protestants on this forum claim she was not a virgin and was a sinner, both in original sin and subsequent sins.

True, but not as denying the virgin birth, which Bible Christians have strenuously defended to their commitment to Scriptural Truth, and likewise find no Scriptural warrant for perpetual Marian virginity (PMV) and sinlessness, and for Scripture not stating these exception to the norm, as the Holy Spirit characteristically does, and if anything, He infers the contrary to these claimed exceptions.

43 posted on 08/19/2019 3:18:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ebb tide; daniel1212; metmom; Mom MD; boatbums; Mrs. Don-o
Most protestants on this forum claim she was not a virgin and was a sinner, both in original sin and subsequent sins.

I challenge you to cite anyone who has said she was not a virgin as recorded in Luke.

I also challenge you to show a unanimous consent among the ECFs that she was sinless.

You will not be able to do either.

Head on back to the caucus threads where your beliefs will not be challenged as few if any respond to your daily posts against your denomination's leader.

45 posted on 08/19/2019 3:23:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
Did not Jesus have an earthly mother? Most protestants on this forum claim she was not a virgin and was a sinner, both in original sin and subsequent sins

She was not a virgin after the birth of Jesus. She had normal sexual relations with her husband after that. You Catholics seem to think that sex within marriage is a bad thing.
53 posted on 08/19/2019 6:04:57 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: ebb tide

You lie, blatantly: “Most protestants on this forum claim she was not a virgin ...” ebbtide


62 posted on 08/19/2019 9:08:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ebb tide
If Mary, the Blessed Mother, was such a sinner, how could Jesus Christ been the "Perfect Sacrifice"?
Maybe some of your protestant buddies will try to rescue you, but it will be to no avail. She is blessed among women and so is the fruit of Her womb.

Mary being blest or not has nothing to with sin...Mary being blest had nothing to do with Mary...It was all God's work...

It is so simple, I can't believe you guys don't get it...Or maybe you do but just deny it...

Why did God use a human body for the mother of Jesus when he could have just created a body for Jesus himself??? If Mary had been sinless which rubbed off on Jesus, Jesus couldn't have been the perfect sacrifice...

God can not sin...Jesus had to be capable of sinning...He had to be able to be tempted to sin...He had to get that nature from a human sinner...

66 posted on 08/19/2019 10:10:34 AM PDT by Iscool
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