Posted on 08/16/2019 7:35:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
It seems to me that this issue can be boiled down to one major difference that proves the two are not worshiping the same god. All Orthodox Christians (whether Catholic or Protestant) worship a triune God with Jesus as the Second Person of that Godhead. Muslims dispute that to the point of executing as heretics those claim that triune God.
The God of the Bible is definitely not Allah, and Allah is definitely not the God of the Bible.
The God of the Bible is definitely not Allah, and Allah is definitely not the God of the Bible.
Christians worship God through Jesus. Jesus made it very clear the only way to his Father was through Him. Muslims worship a dead man lost in the desert and that is exactly what they will be when they die. Dead and gone.
We worship Jesus Christ who is God. (John 1:1)
If a group of people say they worship God and do not worship the Son, then they aren't worshipping God. The Bible calls these "antichrist".
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23)
Jesus deniers do not have God.
uh......no.
Islam worships the God of Abraham as much as the Mormon’s do. Islam is a made-up religion. Mad Mo needed a way to control the people he conquered, so he created the cult and “scriptures”.
I would even say that Jews and Christians don’t worship the same God. I guess as a Christian I could say that Jewish people do worship “my” God - they just have it wrong. But I would guess they would believe I was worshiping a false God, much as Muslims do. Except that Jewish people don’t go hacking people’s heads off or blowing up buildings for worshiping a false God.
If you whittle Christianity down to its very crux, it is this:
God sent his only Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. Those who believe and trust that Jesus died, defeated death, and rose from the dead, are saved.
Islam denies God had a son. In fact, the Koran specifically states Jesus did NOT die on the cross.
These two beliefs cannot be reconciled. To deny that Jesus died on the cross, and then rose from the dead, is to deny the very core of Christianity.
Nicely stated.
An atrocity is a wicked cruel act, which an omniscient omnipotent creator cannot be charged with, unless (that creator states that he is indeed evil), like Him, you are able to know what all the effects will be of even your smallest action or inaction, effects both in this life and for eternity. And make them all work out for the good of those who love God and thus the Good. And you have a superior proven transcendent moral standard by which to judge Him by.
Yet most of what you likely refer to as atrocities by God were done by Israel in the limited period of the Exodus and conquests. And rather than being the result of some dreams, in Scripture the nation of God was only commission to engage in extermination of established iniquitous nations after God had unmistakably made it manifest that He was real, and was commanding them.
And as for the imagination of (OT) Bad cop versus Good (NT) cop, I already explained to you .
If killing innocent people, ala the Flood and other acts, is not an atrocity, no matter who does it, I can’t help you.
As your premise is wrong so also is your conclusion. Why are you - like so many atheists - reading your own ideas into the Bible and then sitting in judgment upon God? If you are going to take issue with Divine judgments in the Bible, then go by the Bible.
Just what kind of people does the Bible say were executed by the Flood and conquests? Innocent morally cognizant souls, or,
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (Genesis 6:5-6)
But perhaps your argument is that innocent children were also slain. If so, then you must explain why it would be evil for the Giver of Life to take the life He gave, as if that would be a unfair and bad thing, especially in the light of eternity? Rather, it does not take a genius to see that this would actually be an act of mercy, saving the innocent from becoming like their fathers, and even taking them to Heaven.
Asking such souls now if they felt any injustice was wrong and what would they say? Only by assuming in your narrow finite scope that taking the life of such was wrong, or that again, you know what the effects would be of such, can you assert that what God did was evil.
What makes killing such wrong? Some abortionists argue that killing the innocent is justifiable since it is best for them and humanity and the universe, and if they could prove that then they would have a case. But they cannot, but God does know that and can make it work out for good. And even if you do not agree, then you must tell us why is must be wrong for omniscient and omnipotent giver of life to take life, as if He does not know what all the effects will be of even the smallest action/inaction of man, for time and for eternity, and make it work our for Good.
If you cannot accept then who can help you? Just what kind of God do you believe in, if any?
My comparison between Allah and Yahweh, while slightly tongue in cheek, is nevertheless true. Muslim murder for Allah is no different than Yahweh’s indiscriminate slaughter of the Flood. Killing innocents is killing innocents. Your justification of it is troubling. You have the last word.
It is indeed different in both warrant and motive, but it seems you could care care less why and how - as has been explained - in order for you to equate the two and justify your scornful agnosticism or atheism (which relates to another question you failed to answer). As if that was morally superior.
Killing innocents is killing innocents. Your justification of it is troubling. You have the last word.
Meaning that in order to rationally condemn God and justify yourself as morally superior, then as said, you must presume that you know what all the effects will be of such actions - and thus for all actions and inactions - in this life and for eternity, and make them all work out for good.
But you cannot, and not even interact with the refutation of your skeptic/atheistic mantra, and simply engage in more argument by assertion as you troll pro-God FR, repeatedly insulting the One believed in.
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