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Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? Absolutely Not. Here’s Why.
PJ Media ^ | 08/16/2019 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 08/16/2019 7:35:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

It seems to me that this issue can be boiled down to one major difference that proves the two are not worshiping the same god. All Orthodox Christians (whether Catholic or Protestant) worship a triune God with Jesus as the Second Person of that Godhead. Muslims dispute that to the point of executing as heretics those claim that triune God.


41 posted on 08/16/2019 11:10:13 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The God of the Bible is definitely not Allah, and Allah is definitely not the God of the Bible.


42 posted on 08/16/2019 11:18:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

The God of the Bible is definitely not Allah, and Allah is definitely not the God of the Bible.


43 posted on 08/16/2019 11:19:00 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

Christians worship God through Jesus. Jesus made it very clear the only way to his Father was through Him. Muslims worship a dead man lost in the desert and that is exactly what they will be when they die. Dead and gone.


44 posted on 08/16/2019 12:39:24 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Midwesterner53
Christians worship God through Jesus.

We worship Jesus Christ who is God. (John 1:1)

If a group of people say they worship God and do not worship the Son, then they aren't worshipping God. The Bible calls these "antichrist".

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23)

Jesus deniers do not have God.

45 posted on 08/16/2019 2:22:00 PM PDT by nonsporting (MAGA -- Make America Godly Again)
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To: sparklite2

uh......no.


46 posted on 08/16/2019 5:37:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MosesKnows

Islam worships the God of Abraham as much as the Mormon’s do. Islam is a made-up religion. Mad Mo needed a way to control the people he conquered, so he created the cult and “scriptures”.

I would even say that Jews and Christians don’t worship the same God. I guess as a Christian I could say that Jewish people do worship “my” God - they just have it wrong. But I would guess they would believe I was worshiping a false God, much as Muslims do. Except that Jewish people don’t go hacking people’s heads off or blowing up buildings for worshiping a false God.


47 posted on 08/16/2019 5:46:52 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you whittle Christianity down to its very crux, it is this:

God sent his only Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. Those who believe and trust that Jesus died, defeated death, and rose from the dead, are saved.

Islam denies God had a son. In fact, the Koran specifically states Jesus did NOT die on the cross.

These two beliefs cannot be reconciled. To deny that Jesus died on the cross, and then rose from the dead, is to deny the very core of Christianity.


48 posted on 08/17/2019 5:26:35 AM PDT by Kharis13
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Nicely stated.


49 posted on 08/17/2019 9:31:01 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: sparklite2; Mom MD
The difference between Yahweh and Allah seems to be that Allah commands his followers to perform the atrocities that Yahweh reserved for himself.

An atrocity is a wicked cruel act, which an omniscient omnipotent creator cannot be charged with, unless (that creator states that he is indeed evil), like Him, you are able to know what all the effects will be of even your smallest action or inaction, effects both in this life and for eternity. And make them all work out for the good of those who love God and thus the Good. And you have a superior proven transcendent moral standard by which to judge Him by.

Yet most of what you likely refer to as atrocities by God were done by Israel in the limited period of the Exodus and conquests. And rather than being the result of some dreams, in Scripture the nation of God was only commission to engage in extermination of established iniquitous nations after God had unmistakably made it manifest that He was real, and was commanding them.

And as for the imagination of (OT) Bad cop versus Good (NT) cop, I already explained to you .

50 posted on 08/17/2019 6:42:03 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Kharis13

Indeed: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html


51 posted on 08/18/2019 4:11:41 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

If killing innocent people, ala the Flood and other acts, is not an atrocity, no matter who does it, I can’t help you.


52 posted on 08/18/2019 10:51:09 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Allah is Satan

False and ignorant

Is ‘Allah’ God?

One of the questions Christians in the West frequently ask is whether the Arabic word “Allah” should be used to refer to the God of the Bible. This question particularly concerns those involved in Bible translation and theological education, but it is also vital for the church as it seeks to proclaim the gospel in Muslim regions.

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Historically, Arabic-speaking Christianity begins in the New Testament. On the day of Pentecost when the Spirit falls on those present and they begin proclaiming “the mighty works of God” in different languages, the final people group listed is Arabs (Acts 2:11).

Arabic Christianity eventually took root among many of the Arab tribes in Syria-Palestine and flourished throughout much of Mesopotamia. Even after Islam emerged, many Arabs held tenaciously to their Christian faith and continue to do so today.

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When it comes to linguistics, it’s important to remember Arabic is a Semitic language closely related to biblical Hebrew and biblical Aramaic. The Arabic word for God, “Allah,” is closely related to its Semitic cognates El and Elohim in Hebrew and the definite form Elaha in Aramaic. Indeed, Christians need only look to the original language of Scripture itself for evidence of this connection. In Daniel 2:28 we see that the indefinite form of “God” in Aramaic is closely related to “El” in Hebrew and “Allah” in Arabic. The connection to the Arabic cognate is even more apparent when looking at the definite form in Aramaic, such as “the living God” in Daniel 6:26. Indeed, the Arabic form of God is often understood as referring to “the deity” (al-ilah).

These linguistic connections should allay any fears among Western Christians over using “Allah” in Arabic to refer to the God of the Bible, whether in a Bible translation or in theological writings and materials. It’s important in such discussions for Western Christians to guard against dictating to non-English speaking persons what word or words they should use in their own languages to refer to God, particularly if the Westerners weighing in have no knowledge of the languages or cultures they’re critiquing.
53 posted on 08/18/2019 12:52:02 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: sparklite2
If killing innocent people, ala the Flood and other acts, is not an atrocity, no matter who does it, I can’t help you.

As your premise is wrong so also is your conclusion. Why are you - like so many atheists - reading your own ideas into the Bible and then sitting in judgment upon God? If you are going to take issue with Divine judgments in the Bible, then go by the Bible.

Just what kind of people does the Bible say were executed by the Flood and conquests? Innocent morally cognizant souls, or,

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (Genesis 6:5-6)

But perhaps your argument is that innocent children were also slain. If so, then you must explain why it would be evil for the Giver of Life to take the life He gave, as if that would be a unfair and bad thing, especially in the light of eternity? Rather, it does not take a genius to see that this would actually be an act of mercy, saving the innocent from becoming like their fathers, and even taking them to Heaven.

Asking such souls now if they felt any injustice was wrong and what would they say? Only by assuming in your narrow finite scope that taking the life of such was wrong, or that again, you know what the effects would be of such, can you assert that what God did was evil.

What makes killing such wrong? Some abortionists argue that killing the innocent is justifiable since it is best for them and humanity and the universe, and if they could prove that then they would have a case. But they cannot, but God does know that and can make it work out for good. And even if you do not agree, then you must tell us why is must be wrong for omniscient and omnipotent giver of life to take life, as if He does not know what all the effects will be of even the smallest action/inaction of man, for time and for eternity, and make it work our for Good.

If you cannot accept then who can help you? Just what kind of God do you believe in, if any?

54 posted on 08/18/2019 1:20:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

My comparison between Allah and Yahweh, while slightly tongue in cheek, is nevertheless true. Muslim murder for Allah is no different than Yahweh’s indiscriminate slaughter of the Flood. Killing innocents is killing innocents. Your justification of it is troubling. You have the last word.


55 posted on 08/19/2019 9:24:20 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2; SeekAndFind; Mom MD; ealgeone; Jim Robinson
My comparison between Allah and Yahweh, while slightly tongue in cheek, is nevertheless true. Muslim murder for Allah is no different than Yahweh’s indiscriminate slaughter of the Flood

It is indeed different in both warrant and motive, but it seems you could care care less why and how - as has been explained - in order for you to equate the two and justify your scornful agnosticism or atheism (which relates to another question you failed to answer). As if that was morally superior.

Killing innocents is killing innocents. Your justification of it is troubling. You have the last word.

Meaning that in order to rationally condemn God and justify yourself as morally superior, then as said, you must presume that you know what all the effects will be of such actions - and thus for all actions and inactions - in this life and for eternity, and make them all work out for good.

But you cannot, and not even interact with the refutation of your skeptic/atheistic mantra, and simply engage in more argument by assertion as you troll pro-God FR, repeatedly insulting the One believed in.

56 posted on 08/19/2019 10:38:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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