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To: Mrs. Don-o; ealgeone; LibertyWoman
A Scapular is a symbolic piece of cloth about the size of a postage stamp---two of them, actually, connected by a string --- and what it symbolizes, is being clothed with the Carmelite habit, of which it is a swatch, a sample. It connects one with security from hellfire and the promise of Salvation, which we --- like you --- have from Christ, and not from our on works. It is not by any means a requirement for salvation!

Nonsense.

It makes a statement that is says is a PROMISE.

It PROMISES that if someone dies wearing that thing, they will not experience eternal fire.

There are no exceptions or disclaimers on it.

It says what is says and it promises salvation by wearing it when you die.

Therefore it's an idol and not an *aid to devotion*. It does not *connects one with security from hellfire and the promise of Salvation, which we --- like you --- have from Christ*. It doesn't say that.

Besides, Catholics continually tell us that nobody can know if they are saved until they get to heaven and find out. And that to be sure of your salvation is the *sin of presumption*.

And now you're telling us that by wearing it someone CAN be sure of their salvation?

Doesn't that mean that the people wearing it, sure that its going to keep them from hell, are continually committing the sin of presumption?

Is that a mortal sin or a venial sin?

79 posted on 08/04/2019 5:26:57 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom; Mrs. Don-o
Besides, Catholics continually tell us that nobody can know if they are saved until they get to heaven and find out. And that to be sure of your salvation is the *sin of presumption*

I believe this is precisely why some Roman Catholics wear this idol. They are in fear of going to hell.

They are believing the words of the apparition that they will avoid the eternal fire over the words of the Savior.

Jesus told this to Nicodemus.

14“As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. John 3:14-15 NASB

Jesus was either telling Nicodemus the truth or He was lying to Him.

I'm taking Him at His word.

82 posted on 08/04/2019 5:31:45 AM PDT by ealgeone
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