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Bishop Schneider: They Use "Tricks" To Abolish Celibacy
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| July 21, 2019
| Gloria TV
Posted on 07/21/2019 5:48:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
Bishop Schneider: They Use "Tricks" To Abolish Celibacy
Dramatically evoking an eucharistic famine, allegedly caused by a lack of celibate priests, is not more than a trick to abolish celibacy, Bishop Athanasius Schneider wrote in a
statement (July 16).
He explained that receiving Holy Communion is not necessary for salvation, unlike having the faith, praying, or keeping the commandments. An example: Many desert fathers lived for years without Holy Communion and were nevertheless deeply united with Christ.
Schneider who grew up among Germans in Soviet Union, received only very rarely the sacraments because the priests could come only rarely.
He also points to the Japanese Catholics who survived more than two hundred years without priests or contact with Rome. For them, celibacy became
the distinctive mark of their Church.
When Protestant preachers reached Japan in the 19th century, they were rejected for being married. When Catholic priests arrived, they were first asked whether they were married.
Only after declining they were accepted as priests of the true Church.
Picture: Athanasius Schneider, © Joseph Shaw, CC BY-NC-SA, #newsTdsegojnbn
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: francischurch; trickery
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posted on
07/21/2019 5:48:48 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: Al Hitan; Biggirl; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; Hieronymus; irishjuggler; G Larry; ...
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posted on
07/21/2019 5:50:04 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: ebb tide
I’.I’m a Protestant, but I see the need for celibate clergy. For years, Catholic schools were very cheap because the priests and nuns could live very cheaply.
To: ebb tide
This gives me something to think about.
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posted on
07/21/2019 6:16:04 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(I urge that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people. - 1 Tim. 1:1)
To: ebb tide
He explained that receiving Holy Communion is not necessary for salvation, unlike having the faith, praying, or keeping the commandments.
Not sure what keeping the commandments has to do being united with Christ ?
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posted on
07/21/2019 6:23:29 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
To: ebb tide
Celibacy does not seem to be working perfectly for the Catholic Church. Of course there are other situations amongst humans that are not perfect either. In the USA there are freedoms to chose to stay with the religion or to leave or to shop around for another.
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posted on
07/21/2019 6:28:11 PM PDT
by
Trumpet 1
(US Constitution is my guide.)
To: stylin19a
Not sure what keeping the commandments has to do being united with Christ ?
Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, obey My commandments.
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posted on
07/21/2019 6:35:40 PM PDT
by
PeterPrinciple
(Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
To: PeterPrinciple
Thanks. Of course. Christ’s commandments. sorry...i was thinking old testament commandments.
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posted on
07/21/2019 7:22:30 PM PDT
by
stylin19a
(2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
To: stylin19a
Thanks. Of course. Christs commandments. sorry...i was thinking old testament commandments.Jesus Christ is the Triune God, the same Triune God, that God the Father gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.
God does not contradict Himself.
Preface of the Holy Trinity:
It is truly meet and just, right and availing unto salvation, that we should in all times and in all places give thanks unto Thee, O holy Lord, Father almighty and everlasting God; who with Thine only begotten Son and the Holy Ghost art one God, one Lord: not in the unity of a single person, but in the Trinity of a single nature. For that which we believe on Thy revelation concerning Thy glory, that same we believe of Thy Son, that same of the Holy Ghost, without difference or discrimination. So that in confessing the true and everlasting Godhead, we shall adore distinction in persons, oneness in being, and equality in majesty. This the angels and archangels, the cherubim too, and the seraphim do praise; day by day they cease not to cry out, saying as with one voice:
[All] Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of hosts. Heaven and earth are filled with Thy glory. Hosanna in the highest. Blessed + is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest.
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posted on
07/21/2019 8:00:28 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: stylin19a
Thanks. Of course. Christs commandments. sorry...i was thinking old testament commandments.
Now someone approached [Jesus] and said, Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life? He answered him, Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments. He asked him, Which ones? And Jesus replied, You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother; and you shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 19:16-19)
While the commandments of the Mosaic Law were temporary, those listed in the Ten Commandments are eternal, and still binding.
To: ebb tide; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
When Protestant preachers reached Japan in the 19th century, they were rejected for being married. Meaning if all but a couple of the apostles of the NT preachers reached Japan in the 1st century, they would be rejected for being married, since that was the norm for both apostles and pastors. And celibacy is referred to as being a gift that not all have, and requiring it of NT pastors is blatantly contrary to what Scripture teaches and shows, and is foolish.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;... One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) (1 Timothy 32,:4-5)
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. (Titus 1:5-6)
Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? (1 Corinthians 9:5)
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. (1 Corinthians 7:7)
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posted on
07/22/2019 4:37:51 AM PDT
by
daniel1212
( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
To: Petrosius; ebb tide
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posted on
07/22/2019 5:32:38 AM PDT
by
stylin19a
(2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
To: Mrs. Don-o
The Bible teaches the priesthood of all believers. While my Church leaves consecration of the elements to ordained clergy only to preserve good order there is no reason ANY believer could not consecrate. Christ did not say this do only when an unmarried celibate graduate of one sects seminary system is available to consecrate for you.
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posted on
07/22/2019 5:38:12 AM PDT
by
Mom MD
To: ebb tide
He explained that receiving Holy Communion is not necessary for salvation, unlike having the faith, praying, or keeping the commandments. An example: Many desert fathers lived for years without Holy Communion and were nevertheless deeply united with Christ.So now eating Jesus ISN'T necessary for salvation.
Imagine that.
It sure is fun trying to keep up with who's on first in Catholicism and what doctrine Catholics have to listen to today and which ones they can choose to ignore.
1.2 billion popes.
YOPIOC.
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posted on
07/22/2019 6:25:32 AM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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posted on
07/22/2019 7:15:39 AM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: Mom MD
Interesting. So-— just to clarify -— you believe in real consecration of the Eucharistic elements, the true Body and Blood of Christ?
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posted on
07/22/2019 7:18:07 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." - 1 Peter 4:17)
To: Mrs. Don-o
yes but not in the way you do. i believe the real body and blood of Christ are present in with and under the bread and wine. The bread and wine remain bread and wine. We do not worship (adore whatever ) the elements nor do we believe the soul and divinity of Christ are present in the supper. There is no ongoing or resacrifice of Christ and the supper is not offered for anything or anyone. In short I simply believe what Christ has said without any of the other extra biblical add ons. And in no way do I believe the pastor pulls Christ down from Heaven to the altar in obedience to the pastors words.
Nor do I believe communion is necessary for salvation. It is a marvelous blessing that nourishes my faith in a beautiful way. It is a physical gift from a God who created the physical world and knows we need. physical touch. In short it is grace that we can see feel smell and taste. What an amazing God we have.
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posted on
07/22/2019 7:46:27 AM PDT
by
Mom MD
To: daniel1212
Meaning if all but a couple of the apostles of the NT preachers reached Japan in the 1st century, they would be rejected for being married, since that was the norm for both apostles and pastors. And celibacy is referred to as being a gift that not all have, and requiring it of NT pastors is blatantly contrary to what Scripture teaches and shows, and is foolish.
.......
+++1
To: Mrs. Don-o; Mom MD
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posted on
07/22/2019 8:42:57 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
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posted on
07/22/2019 8:44:10 AM PDT
by
Mom MD
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