9 Things You Should Know About the Communion Service on the Moon

The Gospel Coaltion ^ | 7-17-19 | Joe Carter

[Skooz]

BFL

[metmom]

Agreed.

Thank you.

[daniel1212]

I would like to know where this information (that he was Cahtolic) came from as well. If he was not, and he was a “devout Christian” as your article states, then why did he not participate in the lunar communion?

I did not sat he was either, and disparaged the claim that he was a Catholic, while i merely provided a link to the attempt to present him as a “devout Christian based upon an anecdotal remark." Meaning that I see no real warrant for that claim.

[Elsie]

The moon DOES rotate - once per orbit around the Earth.

Telescopes on Mars can see it quite clearly.

[MHGinTN]

Did Sheila Jackson-Fleas teach you that? Or Hank Johnson?

[Elsie]

(It is the rejection of the Eucharist that is continued by Protestants today)

HMMMmmm…

PROTS take communion but do NOT believe it turns into the 'real' body and blood of Jesus.

Who knew that mere BELIEF had such power?

[Elsie]

The passage is about believing in Him...and only Him.

Well; some folks had to ask a DIRECT question to get a DIRECT answer...

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John 6:25-40

²⁵ When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

²⁶ Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. ²⁷ Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

²⁸ Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

²⁹ Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

³⁰ So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? ³¹ Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’^[c]”

³² Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. ³³ For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

³⁴ “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

³⁵ Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. ³⁶ But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. ³⁷ All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. ³⁸ For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. ³⁹ And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. ⁴⁰ For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

[Elsie]

Jesus said: “Do this in remembrance of me”

THIS what?

They were eating a PASSOVER meal.

[Elsie]

Lotsa that anathema stuff going around!!

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"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

 

 "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

--Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (A.D. 1302)

[Elsie]

As a good Catholic you wrested the scriptures (2Pet. 3:16) to obviously lead people astray from the written word of God..

Here are some MORE written words of GOD:

Call no man Father.

[Elsie]

no

[Mom MD]

Christ took beard and wine and called it the New covenant. What He initiated was not the Passover meal. I’m sure you know the scripture passage

[Wallace T.]

Whether Neil Armstrong was a deist or a Catholic, he could not have participated in a Presbyterian communion in good conscience. If he were a member of the United Church of Christ, he could have, as both groups hold to a similar, Reformed position that the Lord’s Supper is symbolically, but not physically present in the bread and wine, rather than physically present in the elements (Lutheran) or actually transformed into Christ’s Body and Blood (Catholic).

[piusv]

Whether Neil Armstrong was a deist or a Catholic, he could not have participated in a Presbyterian communion in good conscience.

Is that a deist belief though? As a Catholic, I know a Catholic is not allowed to participate in a Presbyterian communion service.

Having said that, it appears that there are conflicting reports on the internet regarding his religious beliefs. I have seen Christian (with no specific denomination), deist, as well as no religious affiliation. I was unable to locate any that state he was a Catholic.

[mabarker1]

So if Buzz Aldrin had walked into NASA Food & Beverage Department dragging a short skinny Catholic Priest and asked:

Hey, can Y’All Dehydrate this Specialty for Me ?

And They said: Yes Sir, We can and will. Are You going to Eat this or bring it back to Life ?

Buzz replied: I would like to bring it back to Life because I have a few people that are complaining if I do the Communion Myself it will not be REAL.

Then a would that make it a real Communion at your standards ?

[lonestar67]

Yes AND he said of the bread

This is my body broken for you . . .

That’s not in the Passover script but it’s definitely enriched by that context

[daniel1212]

And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. (2 Samuel 23:16-17)

Here, David clearly calls drinking water human blood, and consistent with the command of Deuteronomy 12:16; 15:23 (cf. Lv. 17:10,11), he poured it on to the ground, and did so as an act of worship unto the Lord. What David did not do was contrive some metaphysical justification for drinking this, but to be consistent with the professed plain-language hermeneutic Catholics insist they hold to in regards to "this is my body," then they should also insist this was literal in this case. As well as when God clearly states that the Canaanites were “bread:

• “Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us” (Num. 14:9)

Other examples of the use of figurative language for eating and drinking include,

• The Promised Land was “a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof.” (Num. 13:32)

• David said that his enemies came to “eat up my flesh.” (Ps. 27:2)

• And complained that workers of iniquity ”eat up my people as they eat bread , and call not upon the Lord.” (Psalms 14:4)

• And the Lord also said, “I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.” (Zephaniah 1:3)

• While even arrows can drink: “I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh ; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.' (Deuteronomy 32:42)

• But David says the word of God (the Law) was “sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. (Psalms 19:10)

• Another psalmist also declared the word as “sweet:” “How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!” (Psalms 119:103)

• Jeremiah likewise proclaimed, “Your words were found. and I ate them. and your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart” (Jer. 15:16)

• Ezekiel was told to eat the words, “open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee...” “eat that thou findest; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” (Ezek. 2:8; 3:1)

• John is also commanded, “Take the scroll ... Take it and eat it.” (Rev. 10:8-9 )

And Scripture refers to Christ being spiritual food and drink which even OT believers consumed:

• And did all eat the same spiritual meat; "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:3-4)

• And Christ's word in Jn. 6, "I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst," (John 6:35) are correspondent to,

"Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David." (Isaiah 55:2-3)

• Moreover, like as bread is broken, Is. 53:10 states that "it pleased the Lord to bruise him," and the word for "bruise" (da^ka^') means to crumble, to break..., (Strong's). And like as wine is poured out, so Is. 53:12 also states of Christ, "he hath poured out his soul unto death," both of which are correspondent to the words of the Last Supper regarding bread and wine.

And which use of figurative language for Christ and spiritual things abounds in John, using the physical to refer to the spiritual:

Much more , by the grace of God.

[Elsie]

 

Here's where it started...

 

Matthew 26:17-19 

 (ESV)

 ¹⁷ Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?” ¹⁸ He said, “Go into the city to a certain man and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, My time is at hand. I will keep the Passover at your house with my disciples.’” ¹⁹ And the disciples did as Jesus had directed them, and they prepared the Passover .

 

 

 

 Mark 14:12-16   (HCSB)
 
12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrifice the Passover lamb, His disciples asked Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare the Passover so You may eat it?”
13 So He sent two of His disciples and told them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a water jug will meet you. Follow him. 14 Wherever he enters, tell the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher says, “Where is the guest room for Me to eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ 15 He will show you a large room upstairs, furnished and ready. Make the preparations for us there.” 16 So the disciples went out, entered the city, and found it just as He had told them, and they prepared the Passover .
 

 

Luke 22:7-13   (HCSB)

 7 Then the Day of Unleavened Bread came when the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us, so we can eat it.”
 9 “Where do You want us to prepare it?” they asked Him.
10 “Listen,” He said to them, “when you’ve entered the city, a man carrying a water jug will meet you. Follow him into the house he enters. 11 Tell the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks you, “Where is the guest room where I can eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ 12 Then he will show you a large, furnished room upstairs. Make the preparations there.”
13 So they went and found it just as He had told them, and they prepared the Passover.

 

 

...and here is how it went down...

Matthew 26:26–28
26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

 

Mark 14:22–24
22 And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” 23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

 

Luke 22:19–20
19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

 

(And just what is this?  The yearly Passover where the Jews REMEMBER the salvation of the Lord.)

 

 

...and here is what Paul added later...

1 Corinthians 11:17-34

 

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!

 

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

 

28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.
And when I come I will give further directions.

 

 

So; just what happened between the Gospels yearly Passover that Jesus partook in, and Paul's description of meals that were entirely different??

 

 

[Elsie]

[Mom MD]

Simple. Christ fulfilled the passover which was initiated to point to His sacrificial atoning death for the forgiveness of sin. As He did so He initiated a new covenant for His people to be celebrated

Communion is not the passover celebration. That was done once a year on a specific date, communion is to be celebrated often. The physical elements are different as well. What one believes about the Lords Supper is not a salvation issue and there are wide variations even among Protestants. I love to discuss and support my position as it sharpens my study and belief. However I think this discussion among Christians should only take place after the basics of salvation are agreed upon something that is not true here

i think most of us can agree communion is for saved followers of Christ. Those on this forum cannot even agree what that is so we have bigger fish to fry. Salvation by grace through faith or salvation by works through Mary is an issue that determines where one spends eternity. What you believe about the Lords supper is not. I would love to debate my Christian brothers and sisters on this in a different forum where it is clear there is no daylight between us on the basics of salvation. it becomes a very different discussion with a very different tone at that point.