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To: faithhopecharity
I suspect you're right about that. I am astounded by the present "pope". (Which I put in quotes because I do not have moral certainty of just what his position or authority really is. Pope? Is he even Catholic?)

And even more astounding, the lack of huge push-back from the bishops. There are over 5,000 bishops (more or less) in the Catholic Church around the world, and those openly opposed the Francis' antichurch program number ---as far as I know -- in the low dozens.

Raise up saints, O Lord. Make us saints.

5 posted on 06/22/2019 3:40:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Grant this, O Lord.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

the problem with relying too much on any leadership, whether political or religious, Catholic/Protestant/Jewish,corporate, state/local.....whatever

is that leadership consists of human beings.

often, very very good people worthy of great respect.
sometimes,.... not.

the “nots” wind up doing great damage to us all, if only by virtue of their having obtained positions of “leadership” in the very institutions we look to...for positive benefits or (in the case of religious organizations) guidance

their positions of “leadership” from within our “trusted” organizations... enable them to multiply the damages they inflict on us.

truly, I believe, we must always be on guard ... not only against the enemy outside our walls........but especially the enemies within our own tents


7 posted on 06/22/2019 3:49:13 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“And even more astounding, the lack of huge push-back from the bishops.”

Was there any “huge push-back” from the bishops to the destruction of the liturgy 50 years ago, other than a few notoriously outspoken ones? I actually don’t know. There should have been.

I see the post- Vatican II “conflagration” of the liturgy and then the reign of Papa Francisco, the great papal imposter, as parts 1 and 2 of the end times run-up of the Catholic Church.

P.S. like another commenter, I watched the Ven. Fulton Sheen as a child, probably reruns in the 60s. My parents took me to their cabin on weekends, where I was always bored, but found it much easier to pass 30 minutes or an hour watching his show, although probably wasn’t actually paying much attention to what he was saying, more to his gentle and friendly manner.


30 posted on 06/22/2019 6:14:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

By the Power of the Holy Spirit the collected Cardinals elected Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger as Pope, who took on the name of Benedict 16.

He is not dead. He is also STILL the Pope. Bergoglio is an imposter.


58 posted on 06/23/2019 5:52:48 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I suspect you're right about that. I am astounded by the present "pope". (Which I put in quotes because I do not have moral certainty of just what his position or authority really is. Pope? Is he even Catholic?) And even more astounding, the lack of huge push-back from the bishops. There are over 5,000 bishops (more or less) in the Catholic Church around the world, and those openly opposed the Francis' antichurch program number ---as far as I know -- in the low dozens. Raise up saints, O Lord. Make us saints.

And thus Francis is indirectly responsible for the greatest conversion of Catholics to Protestantism in principal in the last few years, since as with the latter, for traditional Catholics the veracity and validity of church officials and teaching is subject to their varied judgment of what historical church teaching consists of and means.

Rather than following their pastors as per papal teaching, and the current explanation of RC teaching, they reject the judgment of the majority such who elected Bergoglio as pope, as they also selectively do with Vatican Two, etc. or make such subject to their varied interpretations, including as regards public dissent.

The difference is that for evangelicals historical church teaching is that which Scripture manifestly teaches, while for TradCaths it what they selectively point to as historical RC teaching, although as a varied group some selectively concur with the interpretive "clarifications" of the same by V2.

66 posted on 06/25/2019 4:55:54 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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