Posted on 06/07/2019 12:00:59 PM PDT by NRx
Those pesky theologians! If I were Catholic, I'd be in a constant state of what-did-he-say-now readiness every morning when I got up to check my religious news feeds because this pontiff is frankly less predictable than my four-year-old son. It's statements like this that are at the root of why the idea of receiving the Catholic Church into Orthodoxy gives many slightly panicked looks. On the other hand, I don't see enough scholastic work in the world that would build the necessary momentum to convince the laity to be in favor of "Reunion now!" You will need the laity and the theologians of both sides to countenance such a move.
(RNS) — On the plane returning to Rome from Romania, Pope Francis made an extraordinary statement on the role of theology in ecumenical relations at his press conference Sunday (June 2).
In the past, church officials have stressed the need for theological agreement before Christian unity or Eucharistic sharing could be possible.
As a result, the Catholic Church is involved in extensive and complex theological dialogues with other Christian churches. These dialogues have made great progress in dealing with issues raised by the Reformation, but new issues (women’s ordination, gay marriage, abortion) have arisen that divide the churches.
This makes it very difficult to reach a final agreement.
But Francis told reporters on the plane, “Ecumenism is not getting to the end of discussions, it’s done walking together,” according to Crux. The journey is more important than the destination.
As a result, Francis stresses the ecumenism of shedding blood together and of working together in service to the poor, the sick and the marginalized. This fits with his famous statement that “facts are more important than ideas.” How we live our faith is more important than how we explain it.
But during the press conference Francis went further. As he explained on the plane, “there is already Christian unity,” according to the National Catholic Reporter. “Let’s not wait for the theologians to come to agreement on the Eucharist.”
Is the pope signaling his willingness to move toward Eucharistic sharing without total theological agreement?
This would be consistent with everything else he is saying. If it is the journey, not the destination, that is important, then why not share food during the trip? Why wait until we arrive?
Such a view would see the Eucharist as a unifying sacrament rather than a celebration of unity. It says, in effect, that any differences two groups might have aren't important and don't matter in the bigger picture - that neither side is solely in the right and neither side is wrong.
Ironically, during his visit, theological divisions made it impossible for the pope even to pray the Lord’s Prayer with Romanian Orthodox Patriarch Daniel, as right-wing Orthodox objected to their praying together. As a result, the pope prayed it first in Latin, followed by the patriarch saying it in Romanian. Right wing? What silliness. Don't paint Orthodox teaching with political ideology.
But the pope revealed that from what he could see, most of the people at the service in the Orthodox cathedral prayed both times.
“The people went beyond us leaders,” explained Francis.
Likewise, in the Catholic Church, the people often lead the way and the theologians follow, not the other way around. My daughter's driver's education manual calls this "overdriving your headlights."
Bankers started charging interest on loans before theologians distinguished interest from usury. Scientists knew the Earth revolved around the sun before biblical scholars applied literary criticism to Genesis. American Catholics embraced religious freedom before the church caught up at Vatican II. And as a result everybody loves bankers, trusts scientists, and envies post-Vatican II church attendance? Right?
Today, Catholics are encouraging their Protestant spouses to join them at Communion. Divorced and remarried Catholics are returning to Communion. Gay couples approach Communion ministers together. Catholic couples are practicing contraception.
The laity have moved forward; they are not waiting for theologians or the hierarchy to lead them. They are waiting for them to catch up. Catch up? The road to hell is paved with such "good" intentions. I don't plan to wax the way with my silent consent to such.
I pray for his conversion every day.
Slick, very slick. He's just a little too slippery for me. Does he use self-polishing?
Always remember that the prime difference between the Jesuit Pope and a Protestant is that Protestants admit that they are not Catholic.
“the idea of receiving the Catholic Church into Orthodoxy”
Funny, the Catholics think it should be the Orthodox coming back to them, and the Orthodox think it should be the other way around.
This is one point I like to bring up when Catholics start getting a little high and mighty about being the “original” church. Even the Orthodox, who are nearly identical with them, don’t agree with them on that point.
It doesn’t matter if the Orthodox agree or not - the Catholic Church is the original founded by The Lord Himself.
Just an old Roman tale the faithful repeat.
If you mean by church the ekklesia, that is the body of believers in Christ and only Christ, then yes. If you mean the Roman Catholic church....no.
“To dream the impossible dream....”
“Oh? Then which church is the correct one? Mormons?
That is the exact question Mormons ask, ironically .
There is no single “correct church”.
There is a Savior. Focus on Him.
“But then how do you know anything about any kind of worship or morality? ‘Christian Deist’ doesn’t give you any kind of doctrine or rules or anything to follow or believe in, aside from just God/Jesus.”
The Savior is the only path of salvation. As a believer, you are commanded to fellowship regularly with other believers.
“How do you choose a Bible?”
The absolute best Bible is the one you read and act upon.
“Every Protestant group has taken the Catholic Bible, and dropped/added certain books.”
Actually, no. The apocrypha included in the catholic version contains nothing necessary for salvation, nor Christian maturity. It will not hurt you to read it. If you want to read it, enjoy.
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