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To: Mr Rogers

You may reject the Word of God. That is your life to live.

You have to rely on one misinterpreted passage to defend your position, when again, your misinterpretation of that passage is blinding you to the rest of the Word of God.

It is a shame that you are living in fear of losing your salvation and rejecting the freedom that Christ granted you with His sacrifice so that you could focus on becoming more Christlike and being freed from the law. He fulfilled the law for all, once.


127 posted on 06/08/2019 3:05:14 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: ican'tbelieveit; af_vet_1981

“You may reject the Word of God. That is your life to live.”

Dude, I’m QUOTING it. At length. You rely on one passage: “I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.” - John 10:28

As I’ve pointed out, it simply does not say what you want it to say. It says plainly that no one can forcibly take you out of God’s hand, but we are discussing if someone can CHOOSE to leave. A very different thing!

The rest of the scripture is consistent, too: we are to cling to God, persevering in faith. It certainly is not just Hebrews 6 that says some will choose to leave. The danger of not persevering to the end is taught in many passages. Jesus taught it:

“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away. 14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15 As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.” - Luke 8

4 soils.

1 - Some hear, but never quite believe: “so that they may not believe and be saved.”

2 - Some believe for a while, but fall away: “they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”

3 - Some believe, but are unfruitful because they get caught up in the attractions of the world: “choked by the cares...and their fruit does not mature”. Been there, done that myself. Far too often! This type does not lose their salvation, but they are not fruitful!

4 - Some believe, hold fast and stay focused: “hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.”

But any honest review of the parable cannot avoid category 2: “when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”

It happens. From the mouth of Jesus instead of Calvin. Calvin, influenced by Augustine, missed a lot of the scripture, or twisted it to make scripture match his theory of God instead of letting scripture SHAPE his idea of God.

Nothing I’ve written is about obeying the law. NOTHING! I’ve written NOTHING suggesting we earn our salvation. But we ARE told we must keep believing. “They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear....continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.”


128 posted on 06/08/2019 4:12:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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