[Catholic Caucus] Catholic leaders who say hell is empty are basically calling Jesus ‘liar’

LifeSite News ^ | May 30, 2019 | Lisa Bourne

[piusv]

No effort is “valiant” unless it at least contains Catholic teaching, and I see no references to pre-Vatican II Catholic teaching in that blog piece. Not to mention this blog is 2 years old, and the same man believed the Dubia Cardinals’ “formal correction” was “imminent” at the time.

[Hieronymus]

I think you are confusing “valiant” with “effective,” “omniscient” and “presently convincing,” none of which I am claiming. The person made a far better effort and case than I am motivated to.

If you think you can do better, go ahead.

[piusv]

I think you are confusing “valiant” with “effective,” “omniscient” and “presently convincing,” none of which I am claiming. The person made a far better effort and case than I am motivated to. If you think you can do better, go ahead.

I'm surprised you're giving this any credence at all. Is a random blogger's opinions with no reference to Catholic teaching your idea of a "real reference"? Or is it noteworthy because you tend to agree with it?

This isn't about whether *I* can do better. It's about seeking out explanations anchored in the teaching of the Catholic Church.

[Hieronymus]

I seek explanations for all sorts of things that are anchored in the teaching of the Catholic Church. That’s a big part of why I ended up a theologian.

Precisely because of this, I avoid Francis like the plague. As my mother said, usually it isn’t worth your time digging through a dumpster in hopes of finding a baloney sandwich.

If you want to, go ahead. On the whole, I’d rather read de Chardin, watch soccer, or have a hernia.

[piusv]

I seek explanations for all sorts of things that are anchored in the teaching of the Catholic Church. That’s a big part of why I ended up a theologian. Precisely because of this, I avoid Francis like the plague. As my mother said, usually it isn’t worth your time digging through a dumpster in hopes of finding a baloney sandwich. If you want to, go ahead. On the whole, I’d rather read de Chardin, watch soccer, or have a hernia.

How ironic then. It appears that you were the one hoping to find a baloney sandwich in the dumpster only to find....garbage.

If you're going to try to refute a post of mine, you probably should try to find a "real reference" (aka one supported by Catholic teaching).

[Hieronymus]

If you want to use a real reference, try Ludwig Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma table of Theological Censures. (p. 10 in my copy from TAN)

Using the word heresy as synonymous with theological error ends up causing some confusion. There are plenty of ways to mess up that aren’t heresy, just as there are plenty of ways for people to end up dead that aren’t first degree murder.

[piusv]

Please share what Ludwig Ott says specifically regarding members of the Catholic hierarchy who teach public heresy.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I think there’s a point where those of any theological perspective are pushed past their patience, and it looks like it happened here.

Try to put support of the body of Christ first in your agenda. Then we don’t get big, heated discussions of who is right in their attempt to fit angels onto pin heads.

[BuddhaBrown]

“...in your agenda. “

What agenda?

I have no idea how angels and pin heads relate to my being needlessly censored.

Also, the answer is 37.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Everybody has one. There are good ones and bad ones.

[HiTech RedNeck]

But anyhow, if it makes you feel any better, I got the “wah, you ain’t Catholic” treatment too.

Now what God the Father thinks about this may be a completely different matter.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Anyhow yes... there is a divine agenda.

I’d think it very possible that Jesus, were it somehow possible for Him to sign up for FR (The_Carpenter?) — and He began to speak on the Catholic caucus (or a Protestant caucus for that matter) for Him to get bounced off of the caucus.