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To: boatbums

“However, there WILL be deliverance for the converted Jews”

So if God can deliver those converted Jews (presumably you mean God is sparing them from the wrath even though they are alive during the tribulation), then God could certainly do the same for any other Christians during that time as well. So the whole argument that this rapture must occur before the tribulation so that the church can avoid wrath kind of collapses.


110 posted on 05/16/2019 7:50:58 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
“However, there WILL be deliverance for the converted Jews” So if God can deliver those converted Jews (presumably you mean God is sparing them from the wrath even though they are alive during the tribulation), then God could certainly do the same for any other Christians during that time as well. So the whole argument that this rapture must occur before the tribulation so that the church can avoid wrath kind of collapses.

No, I am not and have not said that they will be "spared" from the wrath, just that they will have a deliverer. The only people going into the Tribulation will be UNBELIEVERS (Jews and Gentiles), the church/Bride of Christ will have been snatched away/caught up to be with the Bridegroom while the Time of Jacob's Trouble is going on. Scripture says multiple times that there will be people slain for their faith during this time, so that tells me not everyone remains in unbelief. The vast majority of mankind, however, will weep and wail and gnash their teeth at God out of wicked hatred for Him and His wrath poured out will be well deserved. I don't know why you don't seem to understand that THIS time is different from all the other times where bad things have happened to good people. During the Tribulation, there won't be Christians enduring God's wrath, because it's not meant for them/us. We are taken out of the way - and also, I believe, the influence of the Holy Spirit. He is in the world to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment (John 16:8). Because He is taken out of the way, the deception will be successful. Those who do not want the light of the truth will reject what little light they do have and they will have no excuse before God. He sends them strong delusion and they will believe the lies of Satan.

Do you not believe there will be a "Rapture" at all? Do you believe there will be a time of Great Tribulation? What about the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ upon the earth prior to Him creating a new heaven and a new earth wherein righteousness dwells for all eternity? Are all the Scripture passages about these things not literal but allegorical only?

127 posted on 05/16/2019 8:52:05 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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